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well hello and welcome to the show

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Martin Willis your host and we have a

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jam-packed evening for you I have to say

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I do a sound and video test sometimes an

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hour before and I did tonight and we've

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been trying to get Elvis in the room so

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to speak for the very last segment of

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the show and we have not been able to do

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that it's very disappointing he's away

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somewhere and was trying to get down on

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his phone we couldn't get it to work we

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tried the entire hour so that left me a

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little time to prepare for a lot of this

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show but I want to tell you in the

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beginning we do have a clip that I

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pre-recorded just about an hour and a

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half ago with Anthony la paix and he's

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the executive producer of the History

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Channel's unidentified and we're going

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to be talking about that for again

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that's just five a five minute segment

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and then after that for about 90 minutes

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or so we have our less a little less

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than that we have Tom Kerry and Don

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Schmidt they're going to be talking

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about their latest book Roswell the

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ultimate cold case eyewitness testimony

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and evidence of contact and the cover-up

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and we all know that's one thing as

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certain there was a cover-up and we can

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talk about that but that definitely

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there was us the story has changed many

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times with the Air Force and so we'll

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talk about that as well and so the very

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last half-hour was going to have Elvis

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for fun I was going to have Elvis and

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his name is real name is George Thomas

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but Elvis did actually go under the

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cover of John Burroughs which I think

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John Burroughs from the Rendlesham

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forest so that's the character he plays

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in this really funny film called Elvis

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from outer space which actually

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premieres this evening July 7th and

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speaking of July 7th happy birthday

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Donna I just wanted to throw that out

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there so we're going to have a we're

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going to have Tracy wish part and

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hopefully if George Thomas can get

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everything working we will see him too

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so New Zealand

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and UFOs the 1909 airship is the airship

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wave is the name of our latest blog by

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Charles Blair Charles Lear checked that

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have like I said it's a jam-packed night

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so I'm going to start right away

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with Anthony lepay it's going to talk

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about identify identify which I got to

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watch the first segment July 11th at

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10:00 9:00 central on the History

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Channel

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation and I do have the

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executive producer

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Anthony lepay on the line here Anthony

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welcome to the show Martin it's great to

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be here I have to tell you one of the

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benefits of what I do is I get to watch

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some screeners and I got to watch I got

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to watch episode one and I want to tell

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you this of the season I watched the

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entire season last year this is my

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favorite by far episode of all of them

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closed-minded skeptic about the UFO

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know what's incredible Martin I mean

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this is that first episode is really

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just the tip of the iceberg it was a

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massive massive amount of people came

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intelligence officers who contacted us

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summer sifting through these emails

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thousands of them and and then really

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a core group of about 50 and then we

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reached out and then we got them down to

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about 20 and just these stories they and

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they go back all the way to the Vietnam

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era but all the way up to the present

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and they're fascinating and and I think

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they're really they're their stories

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have never been told before so I think

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they're really gonna open people's eyes

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to really what we're looking at were

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patterns yes I've been seen and

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identified Bala's andhe right no it's

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really good and the observed five was

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observable so as he says one of the

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things I did want to mention I have

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mentioned this on the show before many

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years ago in the nineteen 1990s I had a

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insurance agent that came to my home for

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life insurance he spent about four hours

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there and I remembered his name was

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something like Tom Bowden and I've

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looked for him and looked for him since

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according to him he was involved in a

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special operation in Vietnam secret he

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details but he said overall they were

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investigating UFOs during the Vietnam

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the year told it's an active

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investigation yes and he also said at

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the time you know that they were also

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government thinks and he says all I can

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fascinating all these people that got in

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touch with you and can we look for more

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contemporaneous cases we also expand who

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legacy airlines and we have people from

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FAA and even a NORAD official so we're

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couple countries down there and we learn

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pleasure speaking with you and and thank

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you for putting out such a great product

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as this show it's wonderful thank you

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thank you for the support Martin right

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everyone so tune in this coming Saturday

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so here I am alright so we're back and

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now we are gonna bring in our guests our

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two guests this evening we have Tom

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Carrie and Don Schmidt welcome to the

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show guys good to be back

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and happy birthday right you did hear

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that yes yes and I share a birthday with

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with Don I mentioned that early a

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listener of the show and it's so ironic

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I just have to bring this up so ironic

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listening right now but is just amazing

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birth certificate says it's too this the

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minute one hour apart and it's just

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years she has expressed to me numerous

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witnesses during the Nam war that had

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most unbelievable experiences involving

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entire troops at times and so I was a

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that they were you know they came home -

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the ticker tape parade you know they had

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many regards good rank yeah yeah thank

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you I will I will get in touch

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so Tom it's been I've talked with Don

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you've been on and so if you would just

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both of you just start with you Tom just

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your little background in your your a

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little bit of your background and also

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hit hit the Roswell thing too because

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you boat you both have done excellent

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work in that on that case well I'm a

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Pennsylvania graduated from Temple

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University and was in the Air Force for

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top-secret crypto got a master's degree

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in anthropology from Cal State

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the University of Toronto and a PhD

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program got interested in the Roswell

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case in 1980 when I read the the first

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book of the Roswell incident and I had

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always been interested in UFOs but when

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I read the Roswell incident it just blew

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me away and yet it became mainly the the

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topic as far as UFOs debated in behind

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the bright lay of Roswell and so long

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UFO studies and there were two these two

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who were reopening the the Roswell case

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you know nothing there hadn't been much

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reopening the Roswell case and I found

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that very interesting so one of the

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features of the case was this group of

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craft and they were allegedly from the

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University of Pennsylvania in

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Philadelphia where I was living and so I

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called up I can't remember if it was

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dawn or Kevin what had they done about

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the archaeologists in trying to locate

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them and they said they had interviewed

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one or two fellows but that was as far

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as they go I said let me have it

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let me try to find these fellows from

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Penn University of Pennsylvania so one

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Saturday in 1991 I went down to the

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University there and looked around the

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library found the book that was written

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by 8a an archaeologist not from Penn but

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his name was winter furred Oscar Don

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knows who that was found a book we

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thought he was the archeologist and

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found a book by him he also interviewed

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two Penn archeologists one of whom I

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believe was at the crash site John

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Carter famous archeologist and that's

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how I got involved in the case and so

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long about 1998 and I more or less was a

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an adjunct contributor to their

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investigation at that point but in 1998

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I was met by that time a member of Q

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folks the board of directors in Chicago

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and most of the researchers up until

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that point to have left the field in

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1997 after that famous fiftieth

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anniversary year most of the books were

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written that year and most of the

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researchers had left the field but Don

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came down from Wisconsin gave us a

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little talk and he said I'm going to go

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to Roswell next month which was May of

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1998 does anybody want to go with me and

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one fella put up his hand these dead

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it's 50/50 it's 50/50 when now you know

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what

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he tells you it's 5050 yet Sano right

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that's a no so I put up my hand I said

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darn I'll go with you

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and that we've been a team ever since

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2020 I don't know with you know 23 years

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and 7 books together we've written yeah

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you know we call him mr. 5050 chose to

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go 5050 Hey well before it done I'm

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gonna have you at do a little recap as

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well just just for the first time

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listener so that we do get a lot of

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first time listeners but one thing I

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just want to throw out to both of you

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either one of you can answer in and that

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is a lot of times I'm sure you've

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noticed this when the story of Roswell

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is portrayed in a film or or talked

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about there's there's always they always

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seem to make it sound like it was always

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known but Roswell went dark for many

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many years basically from 1947 until

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1980 if that's correct

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somewhere around there what is it 78 so

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all those years Roswell was dormant and

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a lot of the a lot of films and things

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like that will get that wrong they'll

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have like oh yeah that happened in

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Roswell or something like that you know

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in a different period time period like

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it was always known about it but wasn't

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always known about yeah and thank God

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for the late major Jesse Marcel when he

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broke his oath of security in 1978 and

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he had been diagnosed with terminal

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emphysema and and Jass up to that point

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he basically was the pastor he was the

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fog guy he was the one that was ordered

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to pose with the substituted weather

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balloon yeah going up the chain of

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command in general Roger Ramey's office

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that Carswell Army Airfield and so you

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know that was his big claim to fame as

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far as that he hit the papers you know

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posing with what he knew was not what he

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had recovered not what he had you know

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actually gone out on assignment to

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investigate out on that that that

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that cattle ranch at that sheep ranch

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back at the time it was reported but a

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quick bio on my part I'm a graduate of

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Concordia University and I had the

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wonderful fortune of working as a

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special investigator for the late dr. J

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Allen Hynek so I worked with hiding for

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the last eight years of his life and I

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could not have had a better teacher

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mentor and and friend and role model in

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many respects as to he would always say

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never lose that little boy wonderment

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the idea that anytime you peer you know

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at the stars just let your imagination

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just go blank you know everybody else is

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looking for whose change on the ground

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and we're the ones that you know are

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snow stargazing thinking you know I I

378
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wait maybe somebody's waving back at me

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from you know 100 light years away and

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so I was on his board of directors for

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ten years I was his director of Special

382
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Investigations and as Tom described the

383
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one case that we wanted to go after that

384
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we thought we would make a single

385
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weekend jaunt down to New Mexico and

386
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prove that it was a weather balloon or

387
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something you know just as prosaic and

388
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that was Roswell and so on that February

389
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of 89

390
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Kevin Randle and myself and mind you

391
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neither one of us had even read the more

392
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Berlitz book

393
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:01,720
Roz Wynne Siddhant hmm we were both

394
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total skeptics on the case yeah as I

395
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said we thought you know for the fact

396
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that this had resurfaced after all these

397
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years and the book really didn't catch

398
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my fancy my eye at the time as well as

399
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Kevin and we made that first trip and by

400
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the time we were ready to head home we

401
00:19:28,919 --> 00:19:26,980
were ready to come back because we had

402
00:19:31,770 --> 00:19:28,929
actually started talking the first time

403
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:31,780
witnesses who would handled the genuine

404
00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:36,880
article the real material hmm and one by

405
00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:39,580
one we realize I mean there was a

406
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there were consistencies there were

407
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:46,179
patterns there was a genuineness to that

408
00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:48,970
type of people down in that area of the

409
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country not only the civilians the

410
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:55,720
ranchers the hired hands from 1947 but

411
00:19:59,310 --> 00:19:57,129
then once we start talking to the

412
00:20:03,869 --> 00:19:59,320
military and they're describing the

413
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:03,879
exact same event and that's what really

414
00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:07,450
you know drove us as far as forward the

415
00:20:13,169 --> 00:20:09,460
fact that these people if they're

416
00:20:15,899 --> 00:20:13,179
reading from the same script it was a it

417
00:20:17,580 --> 00:20:15,909
was a military event and yet it was

418
00:20:20,879 --> 00:20:17,590
shared with the civilians

419
00:20:22,619 --> 00:20:20,889
well I defy any debunk or any skeptic to

420
00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:22,629
show me where that has never been the

421
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,669
case before where they wouldn't just

422
00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:29,200
maintain complete control on the event

423
00:20:33,989 --> 00:20:32,529
and that if not for the civilians

424
00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:33,999
involved we would have never learned

425
00:20:42,299 --> 00:20:38,350
about this and as a result we have this

426
00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:42,309
overlapping we have the civilians north

427
00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:47,070
of Roswell who were witness to the

428
00:20:53,489 --> 00:20:50,710
unusual debris who then will report it

429
00:20:56,489 --> 00:20:53,499
to the authorities of Roswell and then

430
00:20:59,310 --> 00:20:56,499
to the Roswell 500 ninth Roswell Army

431
00:21:02,639 --> 00:20:59,320
Airfield the first atomic bomb squadron

432
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,649
and the rest becomes history because the

433
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,200
date as Tom and I have continued the

434
00:21:10,739 --> 00:21:08,080
state we reviewed over 600 people either

435
00:21:12,659 --> 00:21:10,749
directly or indirectly involved with

436
00:21:16,229 --> 00:21:12,669
what transpired back at that time and

437
00:21:19,169 --> 00:21:16,239
down to a man woman and child military

438
00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:19,179
civilian media going up the chain of

439
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,859
command all the way to Washington the

440
00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:22,480
politicians who were involved for

441
00:21:29,639 --> 00:21:26,289
example they all are reading from the

442
00:21:32,879 --> 00:21:29,649
same text they all are describing the

443
00:21:36,269 --> 00:21:32,889
same event and that in itself makes

444
00:21:39,389 --> 00:21:36,279
Roswell amazing because as we all know

445
00:21:41,879 --> 00:21:39,399
10 people with this a car accident you

446
00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:41,889
have 10 different versions this was

447
00:21:46,369 --> 00:21:43,960
truly something profiling it was

448
00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:46,379
something that left this untellable an

449
00:21:52,620 --> 00:21:49,809
impression on their very psyches and as

450
00:21:56,340 --> 00:21:52,630
a result up to the time they passed away

451
00:21:59,580 --> 00:21:56,350
and we're just about Undertaker has one

452
00:22:00,120 --> 00:21:59,590
as far as the final witnesses as we

453
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:00,130
speak

454
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,730
yeah yeah up to that deathbed testimony

455
00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:06,480
describing something truly extraordinary

456
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:09,880
something that was from off the planet

457
00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:13,030
yeah um speaking of that so it tomorrow

458
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:16,060
I think it's tomorrow we have a little

459
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:18,850
feedback here it might be one of your

460
00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:21,210
volumes are up on one of your computers

461
00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:26,110
so tomorrow is the 73rd anniversary of

462
00:22:31,050 --> 00:22:28,540
when the debris was reported right

463
00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:31,060
wasn't it on July 8th that famous press

464
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:35,080
release correct yeah so actually well

465
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:38,170
that was the newspaper headline yeah it

466
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:40,360
was actually brought in on the 6th for

467
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:43,450
the first time but I think we all knew

468
00:22:49,820 --> 00:22:46,030
about it on the 8th yeah one of the

469
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:49,830
arguments I've made a lot on this show

470
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:53,890
was you know the they never had to have

471
00:22:58,860 --> 00:22:56,290
any press release there was no reason

472
00:23:01,170 --> 00:22:58,870
for them to say the army I mean the Army

473
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:01,180
Air Force or whatever they called it has

474
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:02,650
found a flying disc

475
00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:04,510
there was no reason that had to be

476
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:08,020
printed and that's you know I've had a

477
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,810
skeptic talk about that issue and

478
00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:13,600
someone said well they wanted to take

479
00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:15,220
them away from the moguls and I said

480
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:16,990
well why no one would even be talking

481
00:23:22,020 --> 00:23:19,380
about it it's such a you know the

482
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:22,030
sparsely populated area and out there

483
00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:23,890
and you know there was no reason they

484
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:25,660
had to print that what is sure comment

485
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:29,230
on that well sure there was there was a

486
00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:32,530
lot of people in Roswell surrounding

487
00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:34,990
people who were there they got to the

488
00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:38,230
crash site in those days a lot of the

489
00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:41,380
ranchers when there was a crash it was

490
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:43,420
that the ranchers and their families

491
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:45,310
they all went to the crash site for

492
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:49,710
souvenirs to see what happened and so

493
00:23:57,630 --> 00:23:54,850
they and the Flying Saucer age actually

494
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,640
began two weeks earlier so a lot of

495
00:24:01,500 --> 00:23:59,440
headlines about you they didn't call

496
00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:01,510
them UFOs back then but flying saucers

497
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:05,960
but too many people knew about the what

498
00:24:12,639 --> 00:24:10,159
happened and Mac Brazel the rancher who

499
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:12,649
came to town with a whole bunch of this

500
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,970
crazy metal he went to the sheriff's

501
00:24:22,779 --> 00:24:19,760
office and while he was at the sheriff's

502
00:24:28,539 --> 00:24:22,789
office there the local radio station one

503
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:28,549
of them KT FL interviewed Brazel about

504
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:29,960
what had happened and what he was

505
00:24:35,649 --> 00:24:32,750
reporting on his rant so it's already in

506
00:24:41,409 --> 00:24:35,659
to be in the media it's nice accorded to

507
00:24:45,419 --> 00:24:41,419
the media and so the Air Force Army Air

508
00:24:48,909 --> 00:24:45,429
Corps back then had to do something and

509
00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:48,919
they had they had sent their base

510
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:51,380
intelligence officer Jesse Marcel and

511
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:56,210
his counterintelligence officer Captain

512
00:25:02,080 --> 00:24:58,610
Sheridan Cavitt out to the site to see

513
00:25:05,769 --> 00:25:02,090
what had crashed and when they got back

514
00:25:10,330 --> 00:25:05,779
to Roswell two days later on the morning

515
00:25:12,909 --> 00:25:10,340
of the 8th they had reported that hey

516
00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:12,919
this is something really happened out

517
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:15,350
there Marcel was convinced that it was a

518
00:25:22,899 --> 00:25:18,590
UFO like it's saying UFO but flying

519
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:22,909
saucer and so they figure oh my goodness

520
00:25:30,539 --> 00:25:27,440
what can we do what should we do so the

521
00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:30,549
question then becomes who put out that

522
00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:35,870
headline flying saucer captured near

523
00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:40,700
ranch in Roswell region and an argument

524
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:43,100
had raged for a number of years whether

525
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:45,260
it was a local faux pas by the base

526
00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:48,770
commander or the intelligence officer or

527
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:51,620
was it orchestrated from Washington and

528
00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:53,929
our belief and we bring this out in the

529
00:26:01,779 --> 00:25:57,529
book Martin that why this was something

530
00:26:06,610 --> 00:26:01,789
that was concocted in Washington the the

531
00:26:10,649 --> 00:26:06,620
headline that said the RAAF at the royal

532
00:26:16,419 --> 00:26:10,659
air Air Force its Roswell Army Airfield

533
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:16,429
found a flying saucer so they build up

534
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:19,430
the story and if our

535
00:26:23,410 --> 00:26:21,320
next day actually that afternoon they

536
00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:23,420
tear it down well this was an old tactic

537
00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:26,180
from World War two you know build it up

538
00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:27,980
then tear it down and make everybody

539
00:26:31,150 --> 00:26:30,560
feel silly for believing it in the first

540
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:31,160
place

541
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:34,940
so we quite detail when that story how

542
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,410
that headline came about so yes worried

543
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:44,720
if it got out from the media boy we got

544
00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:48,320
our hands flew it's 2038 again the War

545
00:26:51,730 --> 00:26:48,980
of the Worlds

546
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:51,740
yeah as I mentioned earlier you know

547
00:26:56,770 --> 00:26:54,650
seventy-three years ago so does that

548
00:27:01,480 --> 00:26:56,780
mean that every single witness has gone

549
00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:01,490
at this point we just a few weeks ago we

550
00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:05,390
were taking stock of those that were

551
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:09,140
still aware of and I think we're down to

552
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:14,120
either the last two or three and it to

553
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:19,810
us it becomes not only a very sobering

554
00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:26,690
situation Dom we lost stuff somehow we

555
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:28,940
lost dawn so you're gonna have to take

556
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:32,810
it from here he so he was just saying it

557
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:37,490
we're down to three we like Don said we

558
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:41,330
had interviewed over 600 witnesses first

559
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:45,650
at secondhand and we did in accounting

560
00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:48,710
that recently how many do we know that

561
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:52,580
are still alive and I was only aware of

562
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:55,520
one but Don apparently has found two

563
00:28:02,980 --> 00:27:59,120
others but we're down to like single

564
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:02,990
digits the one that I was aware of was

565
00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:06,830
his name is Eleanor Benavides he's in a

566
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:10,580
nursing home in Roswell with Alzheimer's

567
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,350
and he's 94 years old when I was aware

568
00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:17,840
of Martin but Don apparently has found

569
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:20,870
two others of which I'm unaware we're

570
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:23,630
also unaware Martin if there are other

571
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:26,210
witnesses out there whom we did not

572
00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:28,760
interview and were unaware of there may

573
00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:31,880
be some we don't know what of the ones

574
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:33,980
that we interview

575
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:36,530
I'm only aware of one but Don just said

576
00:28:42,850 --> 00:28:40,490
he's aware of three so Wow I guess so

577
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:42,860
hopefully well Don will come back into

578
00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:45,290
the studio we'll leave but we'll just

579
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,440
continue on and what what actually

580
00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:51,679
prompted this particular book you said

581
00:28:57,549 --> 00:28:54,500
you've written seven books and it's a

582
00:29:00,370 --> 00:28:57,559
very intriguing title and so what what

583
00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:00,380
how did this have this come about it's

584
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:02,419
oh it's just what we were talking about

585
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:05,690
there's there we're without any

586
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:10,610
witnesses on our radar right now we've

587
00:29:16,539 --> 00:29:13,250
been interviewing secondhand witnesses

588
00:29:19,270 --> 00:29:16,549
for about ten years mostly and we're

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:19,280
even interviewing you know the children

590
00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:21,650
and now the grandchildren even some of

591
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:23,900
the children of me firsthand witnesses

592
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:28,820
are passed away so we we thought of oh

593
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:31,250
my goodness how many how many more books

594
00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:34,190
can we do in Roswell we feel that we've

595
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:38,540
gotten the the case down to where we we

596
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:40,400
have the framework of what actually

597
00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:43,460
happened and the witnesses that we were

598
00:29:48,190 --> 00:29:45,950
getting over the last 10 years all they

599
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:48,200
were doing was corroborating what we had

600
00:29:58,270 --> 00:29:54,590
already concluded so we we have the the

601
00:30:03,039 --> 00:29:58,280
case it's a witness case right now

602
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:03,049
and certainly the critics they say well

603
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:04,970
where we need some physical we need some

604
00:30:09,789 --> 00:30:07,370
evidence well witnesses are evidence in

605
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:09,799
a court of law if they're believed they

606
00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:12,110
are evidence but what they mean is they

607
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,309
want a piece of physical evidence and we

608
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:18,559
we do not have that right now we believe

609
00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:19,990
there are pieces still out there

610
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:22,400
certainly may be in the hands of some

611
00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:25,580
ranchers who we hope come forward at

612
00:30:30,490 --> 00:30:27,790
some point or even some of the military

613
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,500
people who were involved in the recovery

614
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:32,960
and we're out at the crash site picking

615
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:37,330
up these pieces of extraterrestrial

616
00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:43,580
handiwork so we got the idea that we how

617
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:45,950
much farther can we go with with just

618
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:47,050
witnesses

619
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:49,750
and so if you remember Martin the old

620
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:53,710
Jack Webb dragnet serious yeah at the

621
00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:55,150
end of the show you would have the

622
00:31:01,770 --> 00:30:58,270
fellow with a they would hit the they

623
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,780
would hit the in printer and it would

624
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:04,720
say mark seven productions end of show

625
00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:10,980
so that got us the idea of having a a

626
00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:14,980
non the state what a rub you know those

627
00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:16,600
things where you stay a stamp

628
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:20,560
yeah rubber stamp notes now we had

629
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:25,360
wanted a closed imprint that was larger

630
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:28,840
than the one you seal in the book to

631
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:31,390
cover the book what the our publisher

632
00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:33,970
didn't want one that big they wanted it

633
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:37,480
smaller and sort of that angle so maybe

634
00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:39,790
leaving the door open a little a little

635
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:42,420
bit if we come up with something

636
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:45,010
stupendous like a piece of physical

637
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:48,430
evidence so it's a the ultimate cold

638
00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:52,270
case closed but the door is a let's

639
00:31:59,310 --> 00:31:54,870
still ajar if something they're very

640
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,320
interesting and important comes along we

641
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:01,600
feel with we feel we've got gotten the

642
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,890
case nailed Martin and it took seven

643
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:06,880
books to do it

644
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:11,110
and this book that we have sort of puts

645
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:13,890
everything that we've done into context

646
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:17,260
they talked about well we we talk about

647
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:21,190
the so called Rashomon effect early on

648
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:24,490
in the book that's where you haven't say

649
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,050
you have an accident that would own a

650
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:28,720
reveal accident and you have ten

651
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:30,730
witnesses well you'll get ten different

652
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:34,390
stories of the accident that's been good

653
00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:37,900
but he has different life histories and

654
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:40,600
they see they see things through their

655
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:44,320
own prism of their own life and this is

656
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:45,910
what we've done with the Roswell story

657
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:48,970
is that we've accumulated all of these

658
00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:52,810
witnesses and are attempting to break

659
00:32:59,880 --> 00:32:57,100
through the Rashomon effect and come up

660
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,890
with the what really happened and we

661
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:00,880
believe we've done

662
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:03,640
we've talked about the what where when

663
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:07,960
and how but this book explains the why

664
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:11,500
of things happen did the Air Force

665
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:15,850
behaved reasonably if it was just a

666
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:17,890
balloon why if it was just a balloon

667
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:21,010
that crashed or landed why all the

668
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:25,390
threats why all of the the compromising

669
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:27,700
in the media that the local media why

670
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:30,580
why everything that that took place

671
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:36,190
after the news of this crash and the

672
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:38,290
recovery why did they go through all of

673
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:42,640
these suppression activities trying to

674
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:44,440
kill the story if it was just the

675
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:47,670
balloon so we explain all of that and

676
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:50,770
it's written in a slightly different

677
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:54,880
style than what we've done before which

678
00:34:00,600 --> 00:33:58,570
is you know it's one two follows one

679
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:00,610
three follows two one two three four

680
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:04,990
it's we take time to explain why this is

681
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,560
not a weather balloon why it's not a

682
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:10,720
project mogul balloon why it's not

683
00:34:21,060 --> 00:34:17,310
anything other than the crash of a

684
00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:21,070
extraterrestrial or extra temporal space

685
00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:25,000
ship and I mentioned extra temporal

686
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:28,420
because we have two witnesses and of

687
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:31,090
course my mind Martin over the years

688
00:34:37,650 --> 00:34:35,530
because of the the UFO stories had at

689
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:37,660
some of the UFOs they tend to just that

690
00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:39,730
link alone and blink off you know they

691
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:42,340
disappear right before a witness went

692
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:46,960
and it got to be thinking what's going

693
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:49,780
on here well we have two witnesses in

694
00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:54,190
the book they're important witnesses

695
00:35:01,410 --> 00:34:57,220
it's not the former Jones out in the

696
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:01,420
corn patch it's a one's a rocket

697
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:07,210
scientist and the other is a navy high

698
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:10,180
officer both of whom were involved in

699
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:14,760
the research of the recovered

700
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:18,770
theft and bodies and both of those

701
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:24,360
witnesses say that the crash involved

702
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:27,710
not an extraterrestrial craft but an

703
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:30,690
extra dimensional one said

704
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:32,430
extra-dimensional and the other said

705
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:36,180
extra temporal which to me is like time

706
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,770
travelers huh one of them one of one of

707
00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:43,200
the Megane said that there his

708
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:46,080
speculation was that the bodies that

709
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:51,120
were were recovered were us in the in

710
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:55,500
the future yeah there's a Dave man Dave

711
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:59,490
masters Masterson I believe is I can't

712
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:01,380
remember his name and I talk to him

713
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,220
often but he that's his theory you know

714
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:07,440
that it's what we're seeing or what

715
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:10,080
people are reporting is you know us from

716
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:12,270
the future you know way way from the

717
00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:12,810
future

718
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:15,270
this isn't how will evolve we've never

719
00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:17,430
we've never recorded this before but

720
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:20,670
this is new information given to us by

721
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:24,420
the witnesses who were part of the

722
00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:28,410
research team at wright-patterson there

723
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:30,150
it was their opinion that that's what

724
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:33,090
had happened and what we had what we

725
00:36:36,830 --> 00:36:35,430
found at Roswell was when they were in

726
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:36,840
there what they call their corporal

727
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:40,140
state their physical state so and they

728
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:42,150
remained there when they searched but

729
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:45,330
that was there that was their belief and

730
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:47,640
I just report that to you there's

731
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,430
something new that's in our book that I

732
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,040
had thought about for some time but I

733
00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:55,380
thought I was the only one so I didn't I

734
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:57,030
didn't I didn't really bring it up to

735
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:01,320
anybody we have two witnesses that said

736
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:03,990
the same thing isn't that that's that's

737
00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:07,860
pretty amazing now you hear I'm sure you

738
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:11,100
hear I hear all the time the skeptics

739
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:13,770
versions and but there's there's other

740
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:16,020
versions of what people think happened

741
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:19,050
at Roswell so many different theories I

742
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:21,750
know I'm trying to think of someone told

743
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:25,020
me that this I'm just trying to think

744
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:26,310
who it was it just came out with a

745
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:28,250
different theory of what happened

746
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:31,880
have Roswell and why do you think it's

747
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:34,850
just because this has become such a

748
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:37,490
there's so much mystique in this that

749
00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:39,290
all these different conspiracies just

750
00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:44,750
keep popping up there's there's a lot of

751
00:37:58,060 --> 00:37:55,150
we believe it was that the craft

752
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:58,070
malfunctioned in some way or was hit by

753
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:00,140
a bolt of lightning and disintegrated

754
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:03,070
but we feel what was found was either

755
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,080
we'll say extraterrestrial because

756
00:38:11,110 --> 00:38:08,480
that's what all the witnesses this is

757
00:38:14,650 --> 00:38:11,120
600 or so witnesses every one of whom

758
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:14,660
has a little piece of the story but some

759
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:17,900
of them we call it the the latest theory

760
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:22,760
of the month it was Joseph Stalin who

761
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:25,670
sent it over and it was something else

762
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:28,910
the scarers and someone were just so

763
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:32,090
cockamamie that it makes you wonder you

764
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:34,280
know that some of these people have a

765
00:38:43,810 --> 00:38:40,490
life you know the what was the others

766
00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:43,820
and there was another one I can't think

767
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:48,340
of it now but the Air Force themselves

768
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:50,840
saved us a lot of trouble but we had

769
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:53,750
already done the research that there was

770
00:39:00,820 --> 00:38:56,690
no it wasn't a v2 rocket that had

771
00:39:05,530 --> 00:39:00,830
crashed it wasn't a the latest military

772
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,540
jet it wasn't the bell x-1 that that was

773
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:07,780
breaking the sound barrier at that time

774
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:11,270
we had we had researched all of those

775
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:16,790
and even the Air Force in 1994 when they

776
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:19,430
did there they reopened their so-called

777
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,510
research into the Roswell case they had

778
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:26,240
also eliminated all of these things they

779
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:28,430
said and it came down to two things that

780
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,210
the Roswell crash could have represented

781
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:34,400
one was the it was either the crash of

782
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:37,310
an extraterrestrial spaceship or this

783
00:39:42,010 --> 00:39:40,430
project mogul device that they finally

784
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:42,020
latched on to

785
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:46,460
and so it was one of the other and we

786
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:48,950
believe it was based on witnesses

787
00:39:57,730 --> 00:39:53,030
totaling over 600 all saying the same

788
00:40:00,730 --> 00:39:57,740
thing or parts of that same story or

789
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:00,740
with this project mogul device which

790
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:04,760
just once you look at it it falls apart

791
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:08,120
like a cheap suit garden and but that's

792
00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:10,190
the air force position today they don't

793
00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:11,840
want to talk about Roswell anymore

794
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:15,800
because when they trotted out the you

795
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:19,130
know you can you you can say strange

796
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:22,250
metal oh that's part of a new alloy that

797
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:24,170
we developed for our fighter jets or

798
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,030
something like that but they you

799
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:28,880
couldn't explain away the little bodies

800
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:31,010
three and a half to four feet tall with

801
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:36,140
large heads and you can't explain them

802
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:41,240
away so what they did it was on 1997

803
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:43,910
just as the 50th anniversary weekend was

804
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:46,930
approaching they've released a a

805
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:50,630
monograph titled Roswell case closed

806
00:40:58,540 --> 00:40:54,010
almost like almost like our book oh

807
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:58,550
there was it was really something the

808
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:02,000
people because the the original study

809
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:05,210
that they did in 94 which talked about

810
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:08,600
project mogul was what had crashed they

811
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:10,850
didn't address the little bodies with

812
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:16,610
the big heads that work so in 1997 they

813
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,670
produced another monograph Roswell case

814
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:22,400
closed where they discussed the little

815
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:26,030
little bodies with the large heads that

816
00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:31,000
people reported finding and seeing and

817
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:33,350
it was really strange

818
00:41:39,810 --> 00:41:36,800
it was so bad the explanation at the

819
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:39,820
press conference that the press just

820
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:43,690
they were howling with laughter at the

821
00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:47,120
air force officer who was briefing the

822
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:49,160
press and he got so flustered he

823
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:51,560
basically said well that's all I'm gonna

824
00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:53,290
say I'm out of here

825
00:41:59,050 --> 00:41:55,460
it was so bad

826
00:42:02,020 --> 00:41:59,060
and what it was was that they said that

827
00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:02,030
these these little three and a half foot

828
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:04,340
tall beings with large heads what they

829
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:07,190
were really looking at were dime-store

830
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:11,720
mannequins that the air force was using

831
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:15,260
ten years later in the in the 1950s in

832
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:19,130
these high altitude parachute drop tests

833
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:20,930
from a hundred thousand feet they didn't

834
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:22,850
want to test some humans because they

835
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:25,130
might get killed so they would drop

836
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:29,600
these dime-store mannequins and test the

837
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:35,330
parachutes that way and and we know for

838
00:42:41,110 --> 00:42:38,270
a fact from one of the officers who was

839
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:41,120
involved in that that when these

840
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:43,640
mannequins hit the ground they just they

841
00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:45,050
didn't stay together they just

842
00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:47,180
splattered all over the place and this

843
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:53,120
is not what was described and the other

844
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:55,340
thing was what was the other thing

845
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:00,260
oh yes and how could how could something

846
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:03,250
that was taking place in the 1950s

847
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:06,950
project these parachute drops how could

848
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:10,550
that be confused with the 1947 Roswell

849
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:13,430
incident well the air force and this is

850
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:15,850
where the prints really started howling

851
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:20,720
it seems that it only affects Pro

852
00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:23,000
Roswell witnesses if you're anywhere as

853
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:25,100
well it doesn't affect you but if you

854
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:28,690
grow Roswell it affects you these

855
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:32,810
witnesses reporting these bodies what

856
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:34,670
they what they were doing is they were

857
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:37,700
actually reporting these dime-store

858
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:42,350
mannequins but what they were they got

859
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:44,930
the time frame all mixed up due to

860
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:47,690
something called time compression which

861
00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:56,380
like that it means the older you get and

862
00:44:00,250 --> 00:43:58,190
I guess all of these people who saw the

863
00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:00,260
parties out in the desert hiking out in

864
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:02,420
the desert were in their 80s or 90s or

865
00:44:09,339 --> 00:44:05,930
something but as you get older you tend

866
00:44:12,759 --> 00:44:09,349
to lose track of time and you

867
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:12,769
your time frame starts compressing well

868
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:14,660
well I don't know about you Martin

869
00:44:20,259 --> 00:44:18,529
but it hasn't happened to me because and

870
00:44:23,019 --> 00:44:20,269
you know I'm sure you do the same thing

871
00:44:26,229 --> 00:44:23,029
is it when something happens the way you

872
00:44:27,729 --> 00:44:26,239
can tell when it was is okay where were

873
00:44:30,189 --> 00:44:27,739
you at that time were you in high school

874
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:30,199
were you in college what songs were

875
00:44:35,949 --> 00:44:33,380
popular who are you dating with things

876
00:44:38,799 --> 00:44:35,959
like that that establishes in your mind

877
00:44:40,959 --> 00:44:38,809
that the proper time frame but

878
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:40,969
apparently these witnesses that saw

879
00:44:45,729 --> 00:44:42,650
these bodies they didn't have any of

880
00:44:48,219 --> 00:44:45,739
that and the time frame just got old all

881
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:48,229
out of whack and compressed and that's

882
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:51,650
how the Air Force explains how these

883
00:44:57,249 --> 00:44:53,390
times through our mannequins became a

884
00:45:01,569 --> 00:44:57,259
little oh also these mannequins were six

885
00:45:03,609 --> 00:45:01,579
feet tall they looked European and they

886
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:03,619
were dressed in Air Force flight suits

887
00:45:11,469 --> 00:45:09,529
that we have what's for the press that

888
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:11,479
day and they they just couldn't stop

889
00:45:17,019 --> 00:45:15,170
laughing and the that was the last press

890
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:17,029
conference to my knowledge that the air

891
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:20,390
Air Force ever had about Roswell yeah

892
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:22,430
yeah it's it's pretty it's pretty

893
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:24,890
interesting and you know of course our

894
00:45:30,339 --> 00:45:27,849
the president said something recently

895
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:30,349
you know but he wouldn't give any

896
00:45:35,049 --> 00:45:33,049
details on that he knows some interest

897
00:45:37,089 --> 00:45:35,059
something interesting and I don't know

898
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,099
if that was some type of lawyer what

899
00:45:42,279 --> 00:45:39,440
will you know we may not know what he

900
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:42,289
knows just let me just ask you this do

901
00:45:45,279 --> 00:45:43,249
you happen to have

902
00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:45,289
dude happen to text back and forth with

903
00:45:51,819 --> 00:45:49,549
Don and if do you do i what

904
00:45:54,459 --> 00:45:51,829
do you do you and Don happen to send

905
00:45:57,099 --> 00:45:54,469
text back and forth to each other text

906
00:45:58,539 --> 00:45:57,109
messages yeah no okay

907
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,549
all right because I I don't know why

908
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:00,680
he's not coming back in the studio I've

909
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:02,089
been sending him emails I just don't

910
00:46:06,759 --> 00:46:06,049
understand Senate in my life well that

911
00:46:09,999 --> 00:46:06,769
settles that

912
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:10,009
okay well alright well hopefully Don

913
00:46:15,279 --> 00:46:11,930
will try to enter the studio again I

914
00:46:20,949 --> 00:46:15,289
don't know what happened he he's he we

915
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,959
were we were doing Larry King Live I was

916
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:22,680
in the hangar at

917
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:25,640
well it was like 110 degrees are there

918
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,050
they and I was sitting in the hangar and

919
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:33,000
Larry King ahead asked me a question and

920
00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:34,980
I answered it so I knew the next

921
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:37,320
question was going to be for done right

922
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:41,160
I sort of went you know I tuned out and

923
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:47,400
he says and how about that Tom they had

924
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:50,910
lost the satellite for Don oh wow

925
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:55,920
so maybe Don has had about him yeah

926
00:47:00,800 --> 00:46:58,380
maybe he's been abducted or something

927
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:00,810
Wow answer-there

928
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:04,770
they're still you know yeah well yeah

929
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,220
the Mules going around in a circle it

930
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:10,560
generating electricity I don't know well

931
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:12,030
hopefully we'll see him back in here and

932
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:13,710
when he comes back and pulling back in

933
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:15,930
but I don't I don't I just looked I

934
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:16,890
don't happen to have his phone number

935
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:20,460
unfortunately what's that do you have

936
00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:22,920
any idea what happened not at all nope

937
00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:25,620
so hopefully like I said he'll he'll be

938
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:28,080
back but meanwhile I'm glad you're here

939
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:32,250
so we can carry on and one of the things

940
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:34,290
I've always found very confusing about

941
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:38,310
Roswell is the story that there were two

942
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:40,650
separate crashes and one looked like the

943
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,520
size of a Volkswagen Beetle about 40

944
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:46,140
miles away or something like that can

945
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:49,380
you can you address that please yes the

946
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:52,290
story about two separate crashes goes

947
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:55,710
back to the original Roswell incident

948
00:48:04,520 --> 00:47:59,240
book and the reason they have two

949
00:48:07,870 --> 00:48:04,530
separate crashes listed and one was near

950
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Roswell the one we're talking about and

951
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:10,890
the other one was was allegedly on the

952
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:15,650
plains of San Agustin 150 miles west of

953
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:19,230
Roswell near the town of Socorro and

954
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:25,290
Magdalena and the reason that that story

955
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:28,950
came about was the original Roswell

956
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:34,470
story was mostly about Mac Brazel okay

957
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:35,950
and what a wreck

958
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:40,960
she found and Mac didn't in the original

959
00:48:47,250 --> 00:48:44,800
story Mac didn't find any bodies the

960
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:47,260
only body story at that time we're

961
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:51,430
talking about 1980 and the two years

962
00:48:56,849 --> 00:48:55,420
before that when Friedman and Moore were

963
00:48:58,980 --> 00:48:56,859
during their investigation the only

964
00:49:06,180 --> 00:48:58,990
story with bodies in it in that time

965
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:06,190
frame was from a Socorro of agricultural

966
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:09,390
engineer named Barney Barnett and

967
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:15,550
Barnett tells a story of being in out in

968
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:17,650
the field one day and he never did

969
00:49:23,579 --> 00:49:20,430
giving he never did give a year that

970
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:23,589
that his story took place but he started

971
00:49:29,849 --> 00:49:26,800
telling the story in 1950 so so we don't

972
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:29,859
believe so anyway he says he was out on

973
00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:32,109
his way back home from being in the

974
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:34,180
western part of New Mexico traveling on

975
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:37,810
highway 60 going east when he was his I

976
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:41,290
was what by a flash of light out in the

977
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:45,220
desert and I've been out there where you

978
00:49:51,059 --> 00:49:46,930
know on the plains of San Agustin you

979
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:51,069
could see for miles and these I saw this

980
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:53,560
this flash of light and I thought oh my

981
00:49:57,809 --> 00:49:55,990
goodness what is that so he he drove out

982
00:50:01,380 --> 00:49:57,819
there as close as you could get and he

983
00:50:05,579 --> 00:50:01,390
according to Barney he he found a flying

984
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:05,589
saucer with humanoid beings three and a

985
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:07,270
half to four feet tall just like we've

986
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:09,970
been talking about scattered about this

987
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:15,510
this flying saucer and lo and behold

988
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:19,060
here comes the military no no first here

989
00:50:22,819 --> 00:50:21,460
comes a team of archaeologists he says

990
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:22,829
the team of archaeologists

991
00:50:26,819 --> 00:50:24,520
archaeologists from the University of

992
00:50:29,550 --> 00:50:26,829
Pennsylvania came up and then the

993
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:29,560
military arrived and kicked everybody

994
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:31,240
off shut everybody up threatened

995
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:36,010
everybody almost exactly like the the

996
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:39,760
Roswell story that we know what the

997
00:50:47,490 --> 00:50:43,599
thing was there's no other witnesses to

998
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:47,500
that the to the Socorro story

999
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:49,660
it's just Barney Barnett

1000
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:53,950
and in the the Roswell the real Rosco

1001
00:51:01,079 --> 00:50:56,950
story we have you know we we've found

1002
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:01,089
over 600 and there still may be more out

1003
00:51:05,029 --> 00:51:02,230
there but there you have no

1004
00:51:08,849 --> 00:51:05,039
corroboration of Barney Barnett story

1005
00:51:13,049 --> 00:51:08,859
and so you have there's there you have

1006
00:51:15,630 --> 00:51:13,059
the two-disc story and allegedly they

1007
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:15,640
collided in the air and one filled near

1008
00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:17,950
Roswell and the other fell on a plane to

1009
00:51:25,319 --> 00:51:22,900
San Agustin near Socorro and the other

1010
00:51:26,819 --> 00:51:25,329
thing about the Barnett story is he

1011
00:51:32,609 --> 00:51:26,829
wouldn't want to say that he went back

1012
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:32,619
to work that day and told his boss about

1013
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:34,990
this and it's more said I get out of

1014
00:51:41,849 --> 00:51:37,720
here year dreaming but the boss told us

1015
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,859
he told us that was in 1950 so even if

1016
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:43,599
something did happen out there and we

1017
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:44,920
don't know that we don't know that

1018
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,660
anything did because of no other

1019
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:48,640
witnesses to it

1020
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:52,990
his boss cleared up a time frame for it

1021
00:51:59,339 --> 00:51:56,529
and it had nothing to do with the 1947

1022
00:52:04,410 --> 00:51:59,349
Roswell event which was a single-disc

1023
00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:04,420
event but but okay but then the the

1024
00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:07,150
three and a half foot bodies so where

1025
00:52:12,359 --> 00:52:08,980
does that come into play in the coffins

1026
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:12,369
and all that in the real Roswell story

1027
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:20,460
yeah yeah we have identified three sites

1028
00:52:28,289 --> 00:52:25,720
associated with the Roswell crash the so

1029
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:28,299
called the first site is called the

1030
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:29,980
debris fields like that's the one that

1031
00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:31,720
everybody's familiar with that's where

1032
00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:34,150
all of them most of the wreckage was and

1033
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:37,539
this is a site we're on the evening of

1034
00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:43,270
July the 2nd 1947 a big thunderstorm was

1035
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:45,940
taking place late at night between 11

1036
00:52:52,109 --> 00:52:48,640
o'clock and the midnight big heavy

1037
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:52,119
thunderstorm and we have two or three

1038
00:53:00,000 --> 00:52:55,960
witnesses that recall hearing a muffled

1039
00:53:00,809 --> 00:53:00,010
explosion beneath it between the

1040
00:53:02,849 --> 00:53:00,819
thunderclaps

1041
00:53:03,579 --> 00:53:02,859
something different in the clap of

1042
00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:03,589
thunder

1043
00:53:12,430 --> 00:53:08,150
muffled explosion of some sort and the

1044
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:12,440
next day a brothel goes out and finds

1045
00:53:20,499 --> 00:53:16,369
all over this strange wreckage on his

1046
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,509
sheet pasture and that's as far as you

1047
00:53:25,479 --> 00:53:22,880
know that the night the 1980 book went

1048
00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:25,489
was all that strange wreckage push they

1049
00:53:33,489 --> 00:53:27,859
they brought in the Socorro event to get

1050
00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:33,499
some bodies in there but Brazel also

1051
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:36,440
found just before he went into Roswell

1052
00:53:43,749 --> 00:53:40,670
on Sunday the 6th the 6th of July that

1053
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:43,759
the crash occurred on the second he

1054
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:47,089
found the wreckage on the 3rd the 4th of

1055
00:53:58,109 --> 00:53:53,440
July was a holiday he found the body

1056
00:54:01,299 --> 00:53:58,119
somebody's two and a half miles east of

1057
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:01,309
that debris field site that's the second

1058
00:54:08,609 --> 00:54:04,670
site we call it the D Proctor body site

1059
00:54:11,319 --> 00:54:08,619
because the son of a his neighbor

1060
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:11,329
Loretta and Floyd Proctor was named D

1061
00:54:23,319 --> 00:54:14,690
Proctor he was 7 or 8 years old at the

1062
00:54:26,289 --> 00:54:23,329
time and he was with Mac on one of those

1063
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:26,299
days where Mac did some extra he hit Mac

1064
00:54:31,539 --> 00:54:29,450
could see some birds of prey circling

1065
00:54:32,620 --> 00:54:31,549
off in the distance and they said oh my

1066
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:32,630
goodness look there's something over

1067
00:54:40,029 --> 00:54:36,799
there that's dead so Mac and Dee Proctor

1068
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:40,039
went over there and here was one maybe

1069
00:54:44,499 --> 00:54:43,249
two bodies that we have concluded now

1070
00:54:49,479 --> 00:54:44,509
how do we know how do we know that

1071
00:54:51,249 --> 00:54:49,489
because in 1994 well Mackel also when he

1072
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,259
went to town he told about the wreckage

1073
00:54:57,489 --> 00:54:54,559
but he also told about the bodies he

1074
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:57,499
said the smell was terrible and they

1075
00:55:06,009 --> 00:55:01,400
were from somewhere else and the sheriff

1076
00:55:07,870 --> 00:55:06,019
at the time Wilcox said said well you

1077
00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:07,880
know there you know the Air Force

1078
00:55:13,209 --> 00:55:10,700
they're doing all kinds of tests with

1079
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,219
rockets and monkeys and Mac actually

1080
00:55:17,499 --> 00:55:15,440
actually he was talking to Frank Joyce

1081
00:55:20,709 --> 00:55:17,509
from KC FL on the raid

1082
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:20,719
he says he slammed down the phone

1083
00:55:27,669 --> 00:55:25,249
they're not human they're not human and

1084
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:27,679
he slammed the phone down so we did not

1085
00:55:34,449 --> 00:55:30,529
find out about this site until 1994 from

1086
00:55:37,629 --> 00:55:34,459
Dee Proctor who took his mother there

1087
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:37,639
who was a sick in bed with they didn't

1088
00:55:43,749 --> 00:55:39,049
know if she was going to make it or not

1089
00:55:48,489 --> 00:55:43,759
she had a blockage in one of the

1090
00:55:49,689 --> 00:55:48,499
arteries - - to her in her neck they

1091
00:55:51,579 --> 00:55:49,699
didn't know if you know she better make

1092
00:55:56,469 --> 00:55:51,589
it or not she's on her could be on her

1093
00:56:00,219 --> 00:55:56,479
deathbed well her son Dee who in 1994 I

1094
00:56:06,129 --> 00:56:00,229
guess was around 64

1095
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:06,139
I don't know I my math is bad but he

1096
00:56:09,429 --> 00:56:07,849
says mom I gotta take you somewhere he

1097
00:56:13,179 --> 00:56:09,439
comes in mom I got to take you somewhere

1098
00:56:15,189 --> 00:56:13,189
so he bundles her up plops her in his

1099
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,199
pickup and they bounced out to the

1100
00:56:19,659 --> 00:56:16,880
desert now she's new she's on her

1101
00:56:21,389 --> 00:56:19,669
deathbed right I got it I got to show

1102
00:56:25,419 --> 00:56:21,399
you this I got to show you this

1103
00:56:28,659 --> 00:56:25,429
so they drive up to this load Bluff and

1104
00:56:30,129 --> 00:56:28,669
I've been on it this low Bluff about two

1105
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:30,139
and a half miles east of the debris

1106
00:56:41,409 --> 00:56:35,630
field site and said he said mom this is

1107
00:56:43,629 --> 00:56:41,419
where Mac found something else now what

1108
00:56:48,189 --> 00:56:43,639
what could that something else be that

1109
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:48,199
would prompt the son to pack up his

1110
00:56:54,459 --> 00:56:51,529
deathbed mother put her in a pickup and

1111
00:56:57,189 --> 00:56:54,469
drive out to the desert

1112
00:57:00,699 --> 00:56:57,199
you know and that's rough out there I've

1113
00:57:05,789 --> 00:57:00,709
been out there several times absolutely

1114
00:57:08,829 --> 00:57:05,799
well fluted that when the ship exploded

1115
00:57:10,899 --> 00:57:08,839
was struck by lightning or lightning or

1116
00:57:12,579 --> 00:57:10,909
it was an inner it was an inner

1117
00:57:17,319 --> 00:57:12,589
explosion of some sort that blew the

1118
00:57:22,389 --> 00:57:17,329
craft apart the inner cabin or some sort

1119
00:57:25,449 --> 00:57:22,399
of device that the several crew members

1120
00:57:27,339 --> 00:57:25,459
were in they they were saved but the

1121
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:27,349
crew members who were not in this inner

1122
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:31,010
cabin were thrown out or in the

1123
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:34,850
ship exploded and landed came to their

1124
00:57:42,070 --> 00:57:37,190
death on this low bluff that deep

1125
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:42,080
proctor in 1994 was taking his mother to

1126
00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:45,980
and she ultimately took us there here's

1127
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:49,100
where Dee found something that what did

1128
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:50,870
they tell you what it was I'd only said

1129
00:57:57,610 --> 00:57:54,160
this is where Mac found something else

1130
00:58:01,420 --> 00:57:57,620
well a little more wreckage is not going

1131
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:01,430
to you know be a big deal but we

1132
00:58:10,810 --> 00:58:07,460
concluded that it was two bodies and so

1133
00:58:15,550 --> 00:58:10,820
that's the second site we got the debris

1134
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:15,560
field site the D body Proctor site the

1135
00:58:26,110 --> 00:58:22,910
third site this is inner cabin or escape

1136
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:26,120
capsule pod something like that that

1137
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:31,100
withstood the the explosion continued on

1138
00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:34,700
for another 30 35 miles came to rest

1139
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:38,540
just north of Roswell just off highway

1140
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:43,190
285 about 30 miles north of Roswell and

1141
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:46,910
this is the site that the archeologists

1142
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:47,960
and remember I talked about the

1143
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:49,580
archaeologists this is the site that

1144
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:52,730
archaeologists discovered in the morning

1145
00:58:59,710 --> 00:58:55,910
of July the 7th this is before anybody

1146
00:59:02,770 --> 00:58:59,720
in Roswell knows about it except the

1147
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:02,780
sheriff and the kgfm radio announcer

1148
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:04,690
when Mac Brazel came in one the sixth

1149
00:59:12,850 --> 00:59:08,110
but this is the site discovered by

1150
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:12,860
archaeologists and what they saw were

1151
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:16,460
two bodies sort of hanging out of the

1152
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:19,270
ship we have a drawing in our book about

1153
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:24,890
that Don did depicting this but one of

1154
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:27,290
them was stub and the third and the

1155
00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:31,520
third alien that's call it was that was

1156
00:59:36,790 --> 00:59:34,150
still alive walking around so two dead

1157
00:59:40,510 --> 00:59:36,800
one alive walking around and we know

1158
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:40,520
this from one of the fire and the

1159
00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:42,520
Roswell fireman

1160
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:44,300
who

1161
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,380
out to the site on his own the city

1162
00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:52,160
manager of Roswell cm Woodbury had come

1163
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,390
to the the fire station said there's

1164
01:00:01,000 --> 00:59:58,640
been a crash north of town the Air Force

1165
01:00:03,610 --> 01:00:01,010
will handle it because the Air Force had

1166
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:03,620
already visited him so the Air Force

1167
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:05,840
will handle it nobody goes out to the

1168
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:08,090
crash site well a fella by the name of

1169
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Dan Dwyer uh that wasn't good enough for

1170
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:18,650
him he gets in the car with his crew

1171
01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:21,530
crew member Lee Reeves and they go out

1172
01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:23,870
to the site on their own just before the

1173
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:26,900
military gets there and he's throwing

1174
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:30,110
everything he saw the the craft the

1175
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:33,190
egg-shaped craft the two dead ones and

1176
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:36,740
one that was still alive walking around

1177
01:00:43,330 --> 01:00:39,290
so that's how we think there were five

1178
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:43,340
aliens four of them dead one still alive

1179
01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:46,250
and that third site we call the impact

1180
01:00:53,350 --> 01:00:48,950
site Martin so we have the debris field

1181
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,360
site the deep body proctor site where

1182
01:00:59,920 --> 01:00:56,240
two bodies two aliens have been thrown

1183
01:01:02,560 --> 01:00:59,930
out when their ship exploded and then

1184
01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:02,570
the third site is the impact site where

1185
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:05,720
the state capsule or inner cabin that

1186
01:01:11,470 --> 01:01:07,730
was stood the the explosion came to rest

1187
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:11,480
to two more dead and one still alive so

1188
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:13,610
those are the three sites that we have

1189
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:16,400
concluded are part of the Roswell story

1190
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:19,670
as we know it yeah Wow

1191
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:21,650
wow that's that's fascinating you know

1192
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:23,060
what I'm gonna do here is I'm gonna

1193
01:01:29,590 --> 01:01:26,030
bring us into break and then I'm gonna

1194
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:29,600
have you give Tom a call and see what's

1195
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:32,930
going on I'm sorry Don Don I'll call and

1196
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:34,250
see what's happening so we're gonna head

1197
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:36,050
into the break hanging everyone we'll be

1198
01:01:52,090 --> 01:02:41,680
you

1199
01:02:41,690 --> 01:03:18,250
[Music]

1200
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:34,220
Tom can you actually hear me Tom well I

1201
01:03:39,550 --> 01:03:37,890
know this is the YouTube break but I'm

1202
01:03:42,620 --> 01:03:39,560
as well taco oh here we go

1203
01:03:45,980 --> 01:03:42,630
Tom what'd you find out I can't get in

1204
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:45,990
touch with him his the the phone the

1205
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:50,070
number that I always called with this he

1206
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:52,950
says another something wrong there I

1207
01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:56,310
just couldn't get yeah I just called a

1208
01:04:02,180 --> 01:03:58,920
number two that I had for him and it's a

1209
01:04:04,820 --> 01:04:02,190
262 number yes yeah that's strange it

1210
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:04,830
just said the number is not it's not

1211
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:06,089
it's not in service

1212
01:04:13,310 --> 01:04:09,270
yeah hold on what happened to dawn this

1213
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:13,320
is gonna cause conspiracies bill you can

1214
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:15,450
bring us back in we have no idea what

1215
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:17,970
what what's going on with Don all right

1216
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:22,010
let me just take out a commercial here

1217
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:24,510
gentlemen we will be back in about one

1218
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:26,190
minute all right

1219
01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:30,540
so on YouTube I do want to just say just

1220
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:32,580
a couple things while everyone is

1221
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,540
waiting that I actually I actually sold

1222
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:45,359
some paintings and I want to thank thank

1223
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:49,440
you for the listeners out there let me

1224
01:04:56,780 --> 01:04:54,450
just do this yeah people have actually

1225
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:56,790
bought a couple the two triangle ones I

1226
01:05:01,820 --> 01:04:59,880
had all the actually three triangle

1227
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:01,830
paintings are gone at this point Sam

1228
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:03,690
actually I'm one of those people that

1229
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:05,160
bought one so that's correct

1230
01:05:09,550 --> 01:05:07,890
bill thank you for that yeah all right

1231
01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:09,560
element we are coming back in

1232
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:13,320
approximately 15 seconds but Martin yeah

1233
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,210
but you're doing excellent work with

1234
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:18,480
your paintings and I am really honored

1235
01:05:21,290 --> 01:05:20,280
to have one of your paintings soon in my

1236
01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:21,300
my home

1237
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:25,320
yeah maybe before you know it here we go

1238
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:30,030
gentlemen stand by in three two one go

1239
01:05:36,050 --> 01:05:34,230
all right I am back and so Tom thank you

1240
01:05:37,580 --> 01:05:36,060
for carrying on I think it's very very

1241
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:37,590
strange we can't we can't even get a

1242
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:41,970
hold of Don in any which way and I've

1243
01:05:46,220 --> 01:05:43,260
been saying him emails haven't heard

1244
01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:46,230
back from him either let's see I don't

1245
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:47,670
know if you can adjust yourself in your

1246
01:05:49,610 --> 01:05:49,260
seat a little bit so you get more Center

1247
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:49,620
camera

1248
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:53,610
I know it's always backwards it's almost

1249
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:54,660
backwards in these things

1250
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:58,740
there you go yeah all right so anyway

1251
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:01,740
we'll go carry on matter of fact what

1252
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:03,900
I'd like to do is I'd like to open the

1253
01:06:08,090 --> 01:06:05,970
lines up because you know I think

1254
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:08,100
there's countless I know there's

1255
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:10,650
countless questions about the Roswell

1256
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:13,260
case I mean it's such a it's such a

1257
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:17,520
mystery and so many convoluted stories

1258
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:20,610
and and I think you know if if there's

1259
01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:22,470
not like a full disclosure of what UFOs

1260
01:06:26,540 --> 01:06:25,350
are Roswell is just gonna keep on

1261
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:26,550
waiting in different types of

1262
01:06:31,220 --> 01:06:29,070
interesting case yeah it's gonna keep

1263
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:31,230
perpetuating though in in different

1264
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:35,160
mystic cases I don't know what else to

1265
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:38,460
say you know this is really really

1266
01:06:45,350 --> 01:06:41,670
strange another I think I just had a

1267
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:45,360
returned email from Todd which I emailed

1268
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:47,850
him all the time what happened to poor

1269
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:51,770
dawn don't know yeah

1270
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:56,610
but at the same same thing that happened

1271
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:00,720
to you it says different area code I've

1272
01:07:05,060 --> 01:07:02,310
been using the same number for ever

1273
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:05,070
since I knew him wow this is really

1274
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:06,630
strange but there's gonna be out there's

1275
01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:07,980
gonna be all kinds of stories on this

1276
01:07:15,050 --> 01:07:10,920
tomorrow on social media on what

1277
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:15,060
happened let's see no it was someone

1278
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:16,410
else that I had a returned email not

1279
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:18,810
done so anyway the number is up and

1280
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:20,850
you're welcome to call in that phone

1281
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:22,140
number I was hoping to get the phone

1282
01:07:27,790 --> 01:07:25,650
number two to dawn and have him call us

1283
01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:27,800
so he could at least be on the phone and

1284
01:07:31,820 --> 01:07:30,150
we already have someone calling in and

1285
01:07:35,069 --> 01:07:31,830
that number is eight five five four

1286
01:07:36,509 --> 01:07:35,079
seven two five four eight three and

1287
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:36,519
that's gonna be screened in a second one

1288
01:07:42,269 --> 01:07:40,569
oz will pull that collar in and just

1289
01:07:45,259 --> 01:07:42,279
waiting for the go here we have the go

1290
01:07:47,279 --> 01:07:45,269
and we have Derrick is calling from

1291
01:07:51,209 --> 01:07:47,289
Washington DC welcome to the show

1292
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:51,219
Derrick oops hang on just a second here

1293
01:07:56,130 --> 01:07:55,150
we go Derrick welcome to the show thank

1294
01:08:00,479 --> 01:07:56,140
you for having me

1295
01:08:03,089 --> 01:08:00,489
I wanted men the guest and Tom Carey and

1296
01:08:05,579 --> 01:08:03,099
Kevin and even Don Smith on all your

1297
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:05,589
work if I followed Roswell for quite

1298
01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:07,660
some time and then I think it's one of

1299
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:09,640
the most important cases associated with

1300
01:08:15,499 --> 01:08:12,249
the phenomenon and I think there's some

1301
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:15,509
many significant things associated with

1302
01:08:22,499 --> 01:08:19,089
Roswell one being that like can you kind

1303
01:08:24,959 --> 01:08:22,509
of elaborate on maybe I think we're Mac

1304
01:08:26,849 --> 01:08:24,969
Brazel of concerned three-quarters of a

1305
01:08:30,329 --> 01:08:26,859
mile long two hundred and fifty feet

1306
01:08:31,890 --> 01:08:30,339
wide was a debris I believe and to the

1307
01:08:33,780 --> 01:08:31,900
point where his sheet that he usually

1308
01:08:37,890 --> 01:08:33,790
took out the passer wouldn't cross it

1309
01:08:40,499 --> 01:08:37,900
and if that is confirmed that would to

1310
01:08:42,809 --> 01:08:40,509
me automatically there's no weather

1311
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:42,819
balloon that's huge that could possibly

1312
01:08:46,979 --> 01:08:45,369
be something that that you know the

1313
01:08:50,579 --> 01:08:46,989
Sheep wouldn't cross or or be if

1314
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:50,589
something in question so that that was

1315
01:08:53,459 --> 01:08:52,089
kind of one question I have another one

1316
01:08:59,280 --> 01:08:53,469
too if you can kind of confirmed that

1317
01:09:03,050 --> 01:08:59,290
there's um yeah we've we've sliced and

1318
01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:03,060
diced the debris field every which way

1319
01:09:11,609 --> 01:09:09,790
from Sunday and balloons when they come

1320
01:09:14,129 --> 01:09:11,619
to earth II you know they go up they

1321
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:14,139
expand and they break when they reach

1322
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:15,849
altitude and they just come down and

1323
01:09:23,789 --> 01:09:18,730
they mostly stay intact except for the

1324
01:09:27,689 --> 01:09:23,799
ears going out well this this debris

1325
01:09:31,499 --> 01:09:27,699
field site was massive it was almost a

1326
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:31,509
mile long several hundred feet wide just

1327
01:09:39,109 --> 01:09:35,489
filled with pieces small pieces about

1328
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:39,119
mostly hand sized pieces and larger

1329
01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:43,679
filled with this strange debris and

1330
01:09:48,859 --> 01:09:47,020
there's just no way from witness

1331
01:09:52,979 --> 01:09:48,869
witnesses who were there

1332
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:52,989
part of the recovery this is even beyond

1333
01:09:58,140 --> 01:09:55,510
Mac Brazel but the the military who were

1334
01:10:03,379 --> 01:09:58,150
there that they described this massive

1335
01:10:06,689 --> 01:10:03,389
amount of debris and none of it matches

1336
01:10:10,590 --> 01:10:06,699
what you would call a balloon or even

1337
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:10,600
this project mogul device which was

1338
01:10:16,050 --> 01:10:13,810
consisted of many rubber balloons you

1339
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:16,060
know the project itself was top-secret

1340
01:10:24,990 --> 01:10:21,250
yes but it was made up of ordinary parts

1341
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:25,000
rubber balloons and tinfoil radar

1342
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:31,810
targets some baling twine and 2a two

1343
01:10:40,109 --> 01:10:36,310
microphones acoustic sensors so things

1344
01:10:42,689 --> 01:10:40,119
that in balsa wood anything that people

1345
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:42,699
would readily recognize what's that the

1346
01:10:47,310 --> 01:10:44,830
ranchers roosting of finding balloons

1347
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:47,320
out there because the military sent

1348
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:51,610
balloons up every day and there was a

1349
01:10:56,850 --> 01:10:54,250
well there that the old Spanish well or

1350
01:11:00,060 --> 01:10:56,860
the ranch it's been cemented over now

1351
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:00,070
and we think maybe some of the GIS when

1352
01:11:04,379 --> 01:11:02,650
they were leaving the site might have

1353
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,389
dropped some of the material in there

1354
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:07,360
but it's been all cemented over but that

1355
01:11:13,979 --> 01:11:11,110
well was still open in when our

1356
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:13,989
investigation started and they it was

1357
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:16,900
filled with rubber weather balloons

1358
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:19,570
that's where the rancher that's where

1359
01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:22,330
the the owners of the ranch where this

1360
01:11:26,939 --> 01:11:24,040
happened they they filled it with rubber

1361
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:26,949
weather balloons so that it just it's

1362
01:11:32,010 --> 01:11:29,409
ridiculous to think that it was any sort

1363
01:11:37,649 --> 01:11:32,020
of rubber device or ten for the other

1364
01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:37,659
thing is that the craft left a gouge

1365
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:41,560
there was a Gauss reported in the hard

1366
01:11:45,959 --> 01:11:43,570
desert floor reported by several

1367
01:11:48,689 --> 01:11:45,969
witnesses that they're either a large

1368
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:48,699
piece of had bounced it out or the ship

1369
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:51,130
had touched down briefly and maybe

1370
01:11:59,310 --> 01:11:54,850
skipped and left a gouge about ten feet

1371
01:12:02,399 --> 01:11:59,320
wide and a 100 150 feet long a balloon

1372
01:12:04,979 --> 01:12:02,409
can't leave a couch

1373
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:04,989
are you try it a balloon cannot leave a

1374
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:09,150
gouge like that so it's the story just

1375
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:12,100
it's just there's there's no connection

1376
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:15,010
to do what actually took place without

1377
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:17,530
you know when you throw in a weather

1378
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,170
balloon or project mogul weird so what

1379
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:25,199
you had another question as well Derek

1380
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:29,020
yeah and great show guys lastly um I

1381
01:12:33,090 --> 01:12:31,030
think people like if those who are

1382
01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:33,100
familiar with the case like Frankie

1383
01:12:38,850 --> 01:12:35,590
world has always stood out and I believe

1384
01:12:40,379 --> 01:12:38,860
patty Henderson's wife if you see the if

1385
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,389
you look them up on YouTube and see

1386
01:12:45,390 --> 01:12:42,400
their actual interviews they have a

1387
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:45,400
truth-telling way about them that that

1388
01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:48,570
just beyond compare where especially

1389
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:51,100
Frank Iero she would get disturbed when

1390
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:53,170
she would constantly tell the story of

1391
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:55,420
being confronted by some of the

1392
01:13:00,930 --> 01:12:58,570
government agents and how persuasive and

1393
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:00,940
abrasive they were by saying hey you

1394
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:03,550
didn't see what you thought you saw and

1395
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:05,830
that's something to me to out that that

1396
01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:07,060
was outstanding too because

1397
01:13:10,350 --> 01:13:08,860
independently everybody seemed to have

1398
01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:10,360
that same story that you're here today

1399
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,420
we're a lot of the relevant cases

1400
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:15,520
pertaining to UFOs are concerned and to

1401
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,050
me I just think that's extremely

1402
01:13:22,860 --> 01:13:20,080
credible and they have you know

1403
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:22,870
extremely I surely am important story

1404
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:25,860
that they're telling that that there was

1405
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:28,690
disturbing to them was just how they you

1406
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:30,550
know didn't get the support from the

1407
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:31,750
government like they thought they should

1408
01:13:39,209 --> 01:13:35,500
have yes we knew Frank Iero Frankie

1409
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:39,219
Dwyer row her father was Dan Dwyer where

1410
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:42,070
I mentioned earlier that day and where

1411
01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:44,489
was the fireman who got out to the site

1412
01:13:52,590 --> 01:13:49,030
before the military and so the two dead

1413
01:13:56,459 --> 01:13:52,600
and one live alien and Frankie was his

1414
01:14:00,270 --> 01:13:56,469
daughter and Frank Iero we knew for many

1415
01:14:03,930 --> 01:14:00,280
years she passed away two or three years

1416
01:14:05,939 --> 01:14:03,940
ago unfortunate you know we've known

1417
01:14:08,669 --> 01:14:05,949
these people for so long it's almost

1418
01:14:12,899 --> 01:14:08,679
like when one of them passes it's almost

1419
01:14:15,899 --> 01:14:12,909
like to us a family member and we were

1420
01:14:19,109 --> 01:14:15,909
very sad to hear of her passing

1421
01:14:22,109 --> 01:14:19,119
a very credible she tells the same story

1422
01:14:23,060 --> 01:14:22,119
of going to the fire she had been in

1423
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:23,070
town

1424
01:14:30,629 --> 01:14:26,650
that day for some dental work I think

1425
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:30,639
she was 12 years old at the time in 1947

1426
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:34,209
and she had some dental work in town and

1427
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:36,070
she went to the firehouse to wait for

1428
01:14:42,179 --> 01:14:40,239
her father to drive her home her father

1429
01:14:46,469 --> 01:14:42,189
was out at the crash site at that time

1430
01:14:50,729 --> 01:14:46,479
and so she's in waiting in there and it

1431
01:14:54,689 --> 01:14:50,739
comes this Highway patrolman Roberts

1432
01:14:56,549 --> 01:14:54,699
Goggins a state state employee he had

1433
01:14:59,310 --> 01:14:56,559
just come from up north in Lincoln

1434
01:15:02,069 --> 01:14:59,320
County and he had just been given a

1435
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:02,079
piece of this so-called memory metal

1436
01:15:06,899 --> 01:15:05,169
which is this metal that you hold up

1437
01:15:09,929 --> 01:15:06,909
your wad and up in your hand and you let

1438
01:15:12,839 --> 01:15:09,939
it go and I just sort of unfurls itself

1439
01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:12,849
and floats around and very strange and

1440
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:15,400
it's it's the kind of metal that we're

1441
01:15:22,469 --> 01:15:19,780
looking for - - which we called it our

1442
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:22,479
holy grail of Roswell because you don't

1443
01:15:28,979 --> 01:15:25,570
have to send it out to a another lab to

1444
01:15:30,899 --> 01:15:28,989
be tested and forgotten and you can see

1445
01:15:33,299 --> 01:15:30,909
just by looking at its properties that

1446
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:33,309
hey we don't have anything like that

1447
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:36,729
still so somebody's got a piece out

1448
01:15:40,969 --> 01:15:38,169
there we're looking for yeah we like to

1449
01:15:43,649 --> 01:15:40,979
see it but Frank Iero

1450
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:43,659
she won't wait for her father this

1451
01:15:48,509 --> 01:15:46,510
highway patrolman comes in he says hey I

1452
01:15:50,879 --> 01:15:48,519
got something to show everybody and he

1453
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:50,889
reaches in his pocket and he puts a

1454
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:53,679
piece of this memory metal on the table

1455
01:15:59,339 --> 01:15:57,280
and everybody including Frankie had a

1456
01:16:02,339 --> 01:15:59,349
chance at holding this and looking at it

1457
01:16:04,140 --> 01:16:02,349
and she said it was almost like when you

1458
01:16:06,989 --> 01:16:04,150
put it down on the table was almost like

1459
01:16:10,979 --> 01:16:06,999
liquid water ran out to its back to its

1460
01:16:16,469 --> 01:16:10,989
original size and she tells that story

1461
01:16:20,729 --> 01:16:16,479
and what happened was when she gets home

1462
01:16:24,839 --> 01:16:20,739
the next day there's a knock on the door

1463
01:16:27,719 --> 01:16:24,849
and it's a officer an air of Air Corps

1464
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:27,729
officer from the base Roswell airfield

1465
01:16:35,010 --> 01:16:30,090
and he's got two

1466
01:16:36,990 --> 01:16:35,020
sergeant's with them and they want to

1467
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:37,000
see Frankie he wants to see Frankie and

1468
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:41,130
he takes Frankie ro into the living room

1469
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,110
the two sergeants they take her mother

1470
01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:46,719
into the kitchen and they tell Frankie

1471
01:16:55,290 --> 01:16:50,920
this is a twelve year old girl now if

1472
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:55,300
you talk about this we're not only going

1473
01:17:02,130 --> 01:16:56,610
to kill you

1474
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:02,140
brothers and sisters how do you like

1475
01:17:07,229 --> 01:17:04,360
that we'll take your bones out to the

1476
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:07,239
desert and nobody will find you so how

1477
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:11,730
do you tell that to a 12 year old child

1478
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:15,310
right that his name was Arthur Philbin

1479
01:17:27,170 --> 01:17:19,870
he was on the base we we identified him

1480
01:17:33,420 --> 01:17:27,180
and his son years later came to visit

1481
01:17:36,540 --> 01:17:33,430
Frankie and he said my father I'm sure

1482
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:36,550
he wants to tell you that he's sorry for

1483
01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:40,570
what he did to you and this with the

1484
01:17:48,450 --> 01:17:44,380
Arthur Feldman son but Frankie had had

1485
01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:48,460
the same story for years and she also

1486
01:17:55,709 --> 01:17:52,270
told the story about her father when he

1487
01:17:58,440 --> 01:17:55,719
got out to the crash site when he got

1488
01:18:00,720 --> 01:17:58,450
home that night you know hi dad we're

1489
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:00,730
worried I was waiting for you at the the

1490
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:05,010
firehouse oh I was out north of town

1491
01:18:12,270 --> 01:18:09,520
flying saucer crashed and whoa flying

1492
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:12,280
saucer was there any way we did you see

1493
01:18:17,459 --> 01:18:15,130
any beings oh yes there were there were

1494
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:17,469
there were some crew members that one

1495
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:20,170
was still alive what did it looked like

1496
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:22,510
well it was about three-and-a-half to

1497
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:25,810
four feet tall big head very spindly

1498
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:29,050
arms and you know the usual appearance

1499
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:31,980
of what we now call a grey I guess

1500
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:35,110
well dee dee did you talk to it they

1501
01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:37,330
wanted to they wanted she wanted to know

1502
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:38,920
if her father had talked to it oh yes

1503
01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:41,710
yes we talked to one another but we

1504
01:18:46,110 --> 01:18:43,630
don't we didn't converse like

1505
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,120
we're conversing now by talking through

1506
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,400
our mouths or looming our lips and

1507
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:50,400
tongue like that we didn't talk that way

1508
01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:53,410
talk to one another in our heads

1509
01:18:58,500 --> 01:18:56,020
sort of like what we would call mental

1510
01:19:02,520 --> 01:18:58,510
telepathy today well what did you talk

1511
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:02,530
about well I was very concerned for it

1512
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:04,930
because this ship had crashed and but

1513
01:19:13,530 --> 01:19:08,170
before before long I the creature said

1514
01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:13,540
to me don't don't worry about me I

1515
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:17,680
accept my fate my ship is destroyed my

1516
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,140
comrades are dead or something like that

1517
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:23,440
and don't please don't worry about me so

1518
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:25,620
this creature was more concerned about

1519
01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:29,560
how Dan Dwyer felt then Dan Dwyer felt

1520
01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:33,700
about the creature so that was that was

1521
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:35,800
the entire story and the one that was

1522
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:37,810
still alive ultimately was taken to

1523
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:40,210
right field right Patterson Air Force

1524
01:19:46,050 --> 01:19:43,810
Base in Dayton Ohio and when it expired

1525
01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:46,060
we have several stories of our law but

1526
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:48,820
it only lasted a few days at last of the

1527
01:19:56,940 --> 01:19:53,920
few years so what we don't know but Wow

1528
01:19:58,410 --> 01:19:56,950
hey I'm sorry we got another caller and

1529
01:20:00,990 --> 01:19:58,420
we're kind of running Shaya time we only

1530
01:20:02,670 --> 01:20:01,000
have four minutes left so thanks Thank

1531
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:02,680
You Derrick for the call I appreciate it

1532
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:05,110
thank you guys actually sure oh boy

1533
01:20:09,420 --> 01:20:07,510
thank you just a real quick answer to

1534
01:20:10,140 --> 01:20:09,430
this Tom before I bring in the next

1535
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:10,150
caller

1536
01:20:16,290 --> 01:20:13,270
do you think that there is somewhere out

1537
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,300
there there are a lot of pictures of the

1538
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:19,120
crash the original crash site absolutely

1539
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:20,110
yeah

1540
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:24,310
all right I thought so we have the mark

1541
01:20:29,730 --> 01:20:27,280
calling from the UK hopefully Tom will

1542
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:29,740
be able to see that someday mark welcome

1543
01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:33,520
to the show thank you very much evening

1544
01:20:38,730 --> 01:20:36,580
Martin leaving home our we're running

1545
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:38,740
tight on time mark so if you could get

1546
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:41,710
right to your question yeah sure

1547
01:20:49,860 --> 01:20:45,820
I wanted to get toms Tyco on the witness

1548
01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:49,870
Gary Anderson who initially claimed to

1549
01:20:55,620 --> 01:20:52,120
come across the I think what if 30 was

1550
01:20:56,910 --> 01:20:55,630
the third crash site and and just his

1551
01:20:57,509 --> 01:20:56,920
thoughts from there and I'll tell you

1552
01:20:59,819 --> 01:20:57,519
answer

1553
01:21:03,209 --> 01:20:59,829
thanks very much thank you appreciate it

1554
01:21:04,589 --> 01:21:03,219
Mark Martin can you I couldn't follow

1555
01:21:07,799 --> 01:21:04,599
that Oh No

1556
01:21:11,459 --> 01:21:07,809
he's calm I thought he said Anderson's

1557
01:21:14,729 --> 01:21:11,469
talking about a third crash site I I

1558
01:21:19,939 --> 01:21:14,739
didn't care as well have you heard that

1559
01:21:22,259 --> 01:21:19,949
theory well we talked about three sites

1560
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:22,269
okay all right but this is someone

1561
01:21:26,689 --> 01:21:24,400
else's theory up I thought he said

1562
01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:26,699
Anderson but I didn't catch the name

1563
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:29,380
authorities said curry Anderson I don't

1564
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:31,690
know what curry Anderson oh okay

1565
01:21:36,779 --> 01:21:33,940
all right well you know we have three

1566
01:21:39,509 --> 01:21:36,789
minutes left and our other you know our

1567
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:39,519
other guests or guests who should be

1568
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:43,210
coming in but when when all said and

1569
01:21:49,049 --> 01:21:46,510
done do you think that the full story of

1570
01:21:51,419 --> 01:21:49,059
Roswell the correct story do you have

1571
01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:51,429
hope that that story will actually get

1572
01:22:01,739 --> 01:21:53,590
out there someday your you know what you

1573
01:22:04,220 --> 01:22:01,749
conclude we mark we can always more I

1574
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:04,230
forgot your friend Martin Martin yeah

1575
01:22:14,189 --> 01:22:07,329
I'm sorry that's all right we can always

1576
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:14,199
hope but as far as disclosure I don't

1577
01:22:19,049 --> 01:22:17,110
know I don't know and certainly here's

1578
01:22:22,410 --> 01:22:19,059
the thing Martin about the Roswell there

1579
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:22,420
were so many violations First Amendment

1580
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:26,940
violations violations involving

1581
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:30,880
brutality that it's something that would

1582
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:35,920
be the government would be reluctant to

1583
01:22:43,529 --> 01:22:41,679
talk about so we can all we're hoping

1584
01:22:44,850 --> 01:22:43,539
for a piece of I'll tell you what we're

1585
01:22:46,919 --> 01:22:44,860
hopefully actually for a piece of

1586
01:22:48,689 --> 01:22:46,929
physical evidence to really put this

1587
01:22:50,850 --> 01:22:48,699
thing to rest because we've got

1588
01:22:51,209 --> 01:22:50,860
everything else we've got everything

1589
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:51,219
else

1590
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:55,570
what case whether it's crime or UFOs or

1591
01:23:02,339 --> 01:22:58,719
any any historical event has 600

1592
01:23:06,779 --> 01:23:02,349
witnesses that are all saying the same

1593
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:06,789
thing and yet if it's disputed by you

1594
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:11,290
know the intelligentsia I mean

1595
01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:14,290
every scientist will say yes yes yes we

1596
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:15,820
believe there's other intelligent life

1597
01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:18,160
in the universe of course but then the

1598
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,440
divide comes when they when they say oh

1599
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:22,480
but we don't think any of it has ever

1600
01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:26,170
gotten here and that's where the dispute

1601
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:28,420
comes we believe that at least one got

1602
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:34,480
here and stayed here in July of 1947 we

1603
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:37,410
believe we've saw we believe we've

1604
01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:42,460
substantiate that case beyond not only

1605
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:45,070
by the preponderance of evidence but by

1606
01:23:52,740 --> 01:23:47,070
yet beyond a reasonable doubt

1607
01:23:54,510 --> 01:23:52,750
yeah well excellent well hey Tom I need

1608
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:54,520
to find out what happened to Don because

1609
01:23:59,670 --> 01:23:55,960
I'm gonna have to put that in the

1610
01:24:01,020 --> 01:23:59,680
YouTube notes and also in in the show

1611
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:01,030
notes because everybody's gonna be

1612
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:02,590
asking me tomorrow where's Don where's

1613
01:24:10,410 --> 01:24:06,510
Don so uh if you would have you and/or

1614
01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:10,420
Don follow up and we want to find out

1615
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:11,860
what happened to him it's too bad but

1616
01:24:16,530 --> 01:24:14,110
you know you did a great job I really

1617
01:24:18,690 --> 01:24:16,540
appreciate you being on the show tonight

1618
01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:18,700
thank you so much and go ahead and

1619
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:20,740
repeat the title of the book and where

1620
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:22,750
someone can get it we have we had the

1621
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:26,590
book is called Roswell the ultimate cold

1622
01:24:33,540 --> 01:24:30,670
case closed and we also have another

1623
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:33,550
book that just came out called Roswell

1624
01:24:39,060 --> 01:24:36,130
the chronological pictorial which is a

1625
01:24:41,130 --> 01:24:39,070
has over 400 images in it for

1626
01:24:44,490 --> 01:24:41,140
photographic images and it gives you the

1627
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:44,500
complete timeline of the Roswell case so

1628
01:24:51,870 --> 01:24:49,170
we have two current books and we are

1629
01:24:54,660 --> 01:24:51,880
happy that you know we were that they're

1630
01:24:57,690 --> 01:24:54,670
out because they said they say a lot and

1631
01:25:02,760 --> 01:24:57,700
they're the feedback so far has been

1632
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:02,770
outstanding excellent having us on you

1633
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,410
bet all right Tom you take care you two

1634
01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:07,360
and hopefully Don's okay and we'll find

1635
01:25:12,060 --> 01:25:10,180
out okay all right could you drop me an

1636
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:12,070
email and when you find out because I

1637
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:14,290
couldn't get through yeah absolutely all

1638
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:17,110
right you take care thank you all right

1639
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:18,640
all right everyone so I want you to

1640
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:21,370
watch this trailer first now of course

1641
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:24,710
it was mentioned earlier that it is

1642
01:25:29,229 --> 01:25:26,570
birthday so I wanted to do something fun

1643
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,239
and this is dropping tonight this

1644
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:31,280
premiere of this and it's really

1645
01:25:35,740 --> 01:25:32,810
hysterical I got to watch it as a

1646
01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:35,750
screener so check out the trailer here

1647
01:25:40,540 --> 01:25:37,670
it is and I'll be back with my guest

1648
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:40,550
Tracy woosh Arden just wish Arden just a

1649
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:49,090
now ladies and gentlemen okay then

1650
01:26:01,000 --> 01:25:57,770
I'll tell you how I met Elvis we want to

1651
01:26:06,730 --> 01:26:01,010
return the package ASAP he's ready to

1652
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:13,200
[Music]

1653
01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:18,960
it wasn't just another Elvis contest

1654
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:37,590
all right fun stuff welcome to the show

1655
01:26:47,310 --> 01:26:43,390
Tracy I'm good good hey listen um I have

1656
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:47,320
tried to get the message to George to

1657
01:26:52,710 --> 01:26:49,840
call our Colin number at least so he can

1658
01:26:54,690 --> 01:26:52,720
be part of this and I'm wondering I'm

1659
01:26:56,460 --> 01:26:54,700
gonna put it up on the screen and I'm

1660
01:26:58,700 --> 01:26:56,470
wondering if you could just someone's

1661
01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:58,710
calling now we may be we may be on to it

1662
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:02,080
let's just see does the first part of

1663
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:06,760
his area code begin with a seven I'm not

1664
01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:10,360
sure take a look all right well anyway

1665
01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:12,430
he's gonna be screened whoever it is on

1666
01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:17,470
there anyway I want to welcome you to

1667
01:27:25,860 --> 01:27:21,580
the show and let's see I want to find

1668
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:25,870
out what made you write this this movie

1669
01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:31,800
let's see yeah okay we got him all right

1670
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:35,740
here welcome to the show George wait

1671
01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:38,290
hang on hang on hang on George welcome

1672
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:41,020
to the show thank you I'm right here and

1673
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:43,030
thank you guys thank you yeah yeah I'm

1674
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:45,010
gonna have to back back on your mic just

1675
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:46,780
a little bit you're a little little

1676
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:49,330
blasting a little loud there yeah I

1677
01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:50,410
don't know if you have a headset for

1678
01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:53,350
your phone but anyway George I gotta

1679
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:55,390
tell you and it's too bad we can't have

1680
01:27:59,730 --> 01:27:57,850
you visual because not only are you a

1681
01:28:01,380 --> 01:27:59,740
good-looking guy you look a little bit

1682
01:28:06,420 --> 01:28:01,390
like Elvis but you're absolutely

1683
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:06,430
hilarious and thank you yeah so you must

1684
01:28:17,060 --> 01:28:09,040
have had a you have you have you

1685
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:17,070
actually been an Elvis impersonator I

1686
01:28:22,820 --> 01:28:20,230
strongly dislike that word I'm just an

1687
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:22,830
entertainer I'm really an actor who

1688
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:26,730
because I make sure loves well this got

1689
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:30,250
unexpectedly I'm involved in some Elvis

1690
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:32,860
competition two years ago and I'd end up

1691
01:28:35,820 --> 01:28:34,330
working out for me in a way that I

1692
01:28:37,740 --> 01:28:35,830
really wasn't expecting and ended up

1693
01:28:40,020 --> 01:28:37,750
getting me more and more opportunities

1694
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:40,030
going on the Joan Rivers show shortly

1695
01:28:51,460 --> 01:28:41,510
after that and

1696
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:51,470
playing Elvis on NBC show let me ask you

1697
01:28:55,780 --> 01:28:52,850
this Georgia you aren't a speakerphone

1698
01:28:57,550 --> 01:28:55,790
by chance yeah I have you on speaker

1699
01:29:02,110 --> 01:28:57,560
yeah yeah please take it off speaker if

1700
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:02,120
you would okay yeah yeah as it's much

1701
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:03,920
better yeah it never sounds good on a

1702
01:29:08,620 --> 01:29:07,250
speakerphone yeah so yeah I'm sorry I

1703
01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:08,630
hope I didn't offend you by calling you

1704
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:12,620
the Elvis impersonator but no no no not

1705
01:29:16,270 --> 01:29:13,250
at all no

1706
01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:16,280
yeah clarify that with people sure but

1707
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:20,230
way nicer job yeah you've done like

1708
01:29:27,820 --> 01:29:25,610
Elvis Tribute work like over the years

1709
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:27,830
quite a bit though you you're very good

1710
01:29:33,550 --> 01:29:31,760
at it yeah yeah but I don't want to be

1711
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:33,560
labeled an impersonator the word to me

1712
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:35,570
is I you know it conjures up all the

1713
01:29:40,990 --> 01:29:39,440
negative stereotype images a cheesy that

1714
01:29:44,020 --> 01:29:41,000
all the stuff that the media in general

1715
01:29:46,030 --> 01:29:44,030
loves to poke fun and Elvis with and

1716
01:29:48,010 --> 01:29:46,040
about they always link the word

1717
01:29:51,190 --> 01:29:48,020
impersonator to all that I'm just an

1718
01:29:53,380 --> 01:29:51,200
entertainer who's trying to embody Elvis

1719
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,390
without ever thinking I'm the guy this

1720
01:29:56,290 --> 01:29:55,040
you know I'm not that I'm just

1721
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,300
entertainer trying to keep his music

1722
01:30:01,060 --> 01:29:58,400
alive and I get a lot of enjoyment out

1723
01:30:02,500 --> 01:30:01,070
of it I'm a huge fan and I just want to

1724
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:02,510
bring a little bit of that spark if I

1725
01:30:06,910 --> 01:30:04,610
can little slice of it to an audience to

1726
01:30:08,140 --> 01:30:06,920
keep his memory alive but I'm a singer

1727
01:30:10,150 --> 01:30:08,150
that they happened to do a tribute to

1728
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:10,160
Elvis and other tributes as well but

1729
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:11,570
Elvis is of course the one I've done the

1730
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:13,130
longest and it's all and it's also the

1731
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:16,130
strongest yeah so I had to give myself a

1732
01:30:24,820 --> 01:30:17,810
label it's an edge and I'm an actor

1733
01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:24,830
first and an entertainer second yeah I

1734
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:27,100
have someone watching tonight work

1735
01:30:33,460 --> 01:30:29,530
George I have someone watching tonight

1736
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:33,470
he started doing Elvis at something like

1737
01:30:37,570 --> 01:30:35,810
three or four years old and absolutely

1738
01:30:39,370 --> 01:30:37,580
loves love's love's Elvis always

1739
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:39,380
watching tonight he's probably very

1740
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:41,090
disappointed you're not visual up there

1741
01:30:47,950 --> 01:30:43,850
in the screen but but anyway it's good

1742
01:30:50,170 --> 01:30:47,960
to have you on voice we have we have

1743
01:30:51,610 --> 01:30:50,180
about I don't know about just to let you

1744
01:30:54,820 --> 01:30:51,620
know 25 minutes or something like that

1745
01:30:55,299 --> 01:30:54,830
but let's come back to you Tracy can you

1746
01:30:58,540 --> 01:30:55,309
tell

1747
01:31:01,149 --> 01:30:58,550
of the audience what what made you come

1748
01:31:04,389 --> 01:31:01,159
up with this story and and and do you

1749
01:31:08,829 --> 01:31:04,399
have you written comedy in the past no

1750
01:31:11,919 --> 01:31:08,839
actually this this movie came to me of a

1751
01:31:15,759 --> 01:31:11,929
different movie they the producers had

1752
01:31:17,409 --> 01:31:15,769
purchased this film and wanted to make

1753
01:31:20,020 --> 01:31:17,419
something different out of it and so

1754
01:31:24,009 --> 01:31:20,030
they gave it to me and said you know can

1755
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:24,019
you can you change this can you make it

1756
01:31:30,579 --> 01:31:28,010
more like this and less like that and so

1757
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:30,589
we we cut away a whole bunch of it and

1758
01:31:34,689 --> 01:31:32,719
made a short version of it which they

1759
01:31:37,839 --> 01:31:34,699
liked but then they wanted to make it

1760
01:31:40,089 --> 01:31:37,849
feature-length so we I said well we'll

1761
01:31:45,429 --> 01:31:40,099
have to write like a whole other movie

1762
01:31:47,729 --> 01:31:45,439
and they were like okay so I had been

1763
01:31:52,689 --> 01:31:47,739
retired for a while I was an editor

1764
01:31:54,969 --> 01:31:52,699
before this and uh kind of you know

1765
01:31:57,069 --> 01:31:54,979
intrigued by doing something it seemed

1766
01:31:59,649 --> 01:31:57,079
like that interesting and fun project so

1767
01:32:02,889 --> 01:31:59,659
we started and we we made a story that

1768
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:02,899
they really liked and then we made that

1769
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:05,030
movie we had to shoot new scenes we did

1770
01:32:11,379 --> 01:32:08,510
animation and I really really love right

1771
01:32:14,849 --> 01:32:11,389
in the comedy well I heard I've always

1772
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:14,859
heard that comedy is is very difficult

1773
01:32:18,849 --> 01:32:18,050
to write and to make it flow and

1774
01:32:21,879 --> 01:32:18,859
everything

1775
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:21,889
let me ask George did you and I'm gonna

1776
01:32:27,069 --> 01:32:24,169
pull your picture up every time I talk

1777
01:32:31,569 --> 01:32:27,079
to you did you would do any ad-lib at

1778
01:32:33,429 --> 01:32:31,579
all in this in this film yeah there was

1779
01:32:35,889 --> 01:32:33,439
some ad-lib a little bit I just try to

1780
01:32:38,259 --> 01:32:35,899
take phrases that I I remember from

1781
01:32:40,529 --> 01:32:38,269
Elvis films or during interviews all

1782
01:32:43,989 --> 01:32:40,539
this with you to certain phrases certain

1783
01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:43,999
yeah I tried to keep a log of that in my

1784
01:32:48,219 --> 01:32:46,550
head and refer to it as it would apply

1785
01:32:50,919 --> 01:32:48,229
in the scene within the given

1786
01:32:52,540 --> 01:32:50,929
circumstances and also having Sonny West

1787
01:32:56,199 --> 01:32:52,550
you know on the set all this his

1788
01:32:57,699 --> 01:32:56,209
personal bodyguard to give me some ideas

1789
01:32:59,589 --> 01:32:57,709
as far as dialogue that Elvis himself

1790
01:33:01,419 --> 01:32:59,599
would actually use as Sonny would of

1791
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:01,429
course you know approve of and feel like

1792
01:33:07,629 --> 01:33:04,159
it was accurate to Elvis's memory and

1793
01:33:09,229 --> 01:33:07,639
and his whole entire being right I

1794
01:33:12,500 --> 01:33:09,239
thought that was great that you had son

1795
01:33:16,850 --> 01:33:12,510
that was that was pretty amazing and

1796
01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:16,860
let's eat yeah yeah I bet I mean that

1797
01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:19,380
I've done a little bit of filming in the

1798
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:24,840
background and and I've just really with

1799
01:33:30,350 --> 01:33:27,330
a friend who was actually in a number of

1800
01:33:33,140 --> 01:33:30,360
movies over the years so it's it's a

1801
01:33:34,580 --> 01:33:33,150
blast and to do what you guys did just

1802
01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:34,590
seems like so much fun

1803
01:33:43,630 --> 01:33:38,460
and about you trace to getting back to

1804
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:43,640
you Tracy when you were directing this

1805
01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:47,130
was this something that you just you

1806
01:33:51,170 --> 01:33:49,560
also did you change things around a

1807
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:51,180
little bit or just stick right to script

1808
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:53,250
and and it must have been quite a

1809
01:33:57,950 --> 01:33:54,810
storyboard to figure out how to do this

1810
01:34:00,500 --> 01:33:57,960
one it was it was like a giant puzzle

1811
01:34:03,650 --> 01:34:00,510
you know I I had been an editor for many

1812
01:34:08,209 --> 01:34:03,660
years so I was used to fixing other

1813
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:08,219
people's problems and you know work

1814
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:10,500
around and this was like the biggest

1815
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:16,320
most complex puzzle of all but you know

1816
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:18,090
we we just made it a little bit at a

1817
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:21,090
time we did the animations we shot we

1818
01:34:24,770 --> 01:34:22,650
shot a lot of stuff remotely because

1819
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:24,780
actually I couldn't really travel at the

1820
01:34:31,729 --> 01:34:29,820
time and so we we got you know George

1821
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:31,739
and you know in front of a green screen

1822
01:34:38,780 --> 01:34:36,570
and Los Angeles and we got Barry in a

1823
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:38,790
green screen in a little studio in

1824
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:42,050
Pennsylvania and then I would be

1825
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:45,570
facetiming I'm an iPad and have a PA

1826
01:34:49,820 --> 01:34:47,430
carry my head around and then I could

1827
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:49,830
give people instructions and you know

1828
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:53,090
look at the takes and be present but

1829
01:34:59,150 --> 01:34:56,250
virtually present before I forget

1830
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,160
something I just neglected to even ask

1831
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:01,920
where where where do people actually

1832
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:04,620
find this film at debuts today

1833
01:35:14,630 --> 01:35:09,210
oh yeah it's gotta be on Apple TV and

1834
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:14,640
Fandango Oh excellent okay yeah really

1835
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:19,170
out today yeah today it's out and George

1836
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:21,030
I got a different picture of you this is

1837
01:35:26,540 --> 01:35:22,170
a better picture

1838
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:26,550
of you actually so I picture I can see

1839
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:26,730
it

1840
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:30,570
yeah that that's great

1841
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:33,690
do you actually have some you personally

1842
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:35,400
have some of his clothing I've seen as

1843
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:37,260
clothing in person it's pretty amazing

1844
01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:40,890
I mean do you have things custom-made

1845
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:44,310
for you yeah I have a you know several

1846
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:46,050
suits that were made over the years the

1847
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:48,330
gold LeMay jacket for the 1950s it had

1848
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:50,340
many many versions of that some were

1849
01:35:54,860 --> 01:35:52,710
tailor-made to me the most recent one I

1850
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:54,870
bought at though at the Lansky Brothers

1851
01:36:01,400 --> 01:35:58,890
store and it's in Memphis at the Peabody

1852
01:36:02,510 --> 01:36:01,410
Hotel downtown on Union Street literally

1853
01:36:04,190 --> 01:36:02,520
like a mile

1854
01:36:06,740 --> 01:36:04,200
not even that down the road from Sun

1855
01:36:09,290 --> 01:36:06,750
Studios where Elvis first recorded his

1856
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:09,300
and started his recording career at Sun

1857
01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:10,860
Studio so it's right down the street and

1858
01:36:14,540 --> 01:36:12,420
I bought a jacket from that the white a

1859
01:36:16,910 --> 01:36:14,550
couple of white jumpsuits I'd be Aloha

1860
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:16,920
the Aloha jumps - which I wore in the

1861
01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:23,190
film I had the French know not hearing

1862
01:36:34,670 --> 01:36:30,510
him now George yeah well I'll bring I'll

1863
01:36:38,420 --> 01:36:34,680
bring you back and so Tracy you when you

1864
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:38,430
and I met briefly a while back I mean

1865
01:36:42,490 --> 01:36:40,080
when we were trying to get the whole

1866
01:36:45,380 --> 01:36:42,500
hour they were trying to get George on

1867
01:36:46,940 --> 01:36:45,390
you mentioned you had a UFO sightings so

1868
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:46,950
let's talk about what was that what was

1869
01:36:56,350 --> 01:36:50,370
that like when I was in college I in

1870
01:37:00,710 --> 01:36:56,360
Pittsburgh I was going from across

1871
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:00,720
Panther Hollow near Schenley Park going

1872
01:37:07,090 --> 01:37:02,880
to the museum from the back of Carnegie

1873
01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:07,100
Mellon and there are these like steam

1874
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:10,140
facts they're this sort of power

1875
01:37:17,150 --> 01:37:13,970
generating plant there and I saw these

1876
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:17,160
like there were three of them and they

1877
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:20,370
were just tiny bowls of light

1878
01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:23,820
well tiny part it gets a scale on them

1879
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:26,460
but maybe they were like 18 inches

1880
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:32,090
across and they kind of swooped around

1881
01:37:41,970 --> 01:37:35,770
the up and down the sides of the hall

1882
01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:41,980
and then went circling up the stack the

1883
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:45,070
steam stacks and smokestacks and then

1884
01:37:49,620 --> 01:37:47,830
kind of hovered above there for a minute

1885
01:37:53,610 --> 01:37:49,630
and then went straight up into the sky

1886
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:53,620
so fast it didn't make any sense so I

1887
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:57,090
don't know what it was that I saw but I

1888
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:00,880
yeah but that's really that's really

1889
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:03,250
amazing um I think we lost we lost

1890
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:08,560
George yeah that's been the story of the

1891
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:10,410
night poor George

1892
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:13,600
so you're saying now there were three of

1893
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:16,450
them were they in unison did they move

1894
01:38:25,500 --> 01:38:21,850
in unison they they were when they were

1895
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:25,510
swooping up and down in the hollow yeah

1896
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:27,730
they kind of they were in unison but

1897
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:29,610
then when they went around the

1898
01:38:38,490 --> 01:38:32,770
smokestack it was like they were you

1899
01:38:41,180 --> 01:38:38,500
know separate but it looked like play it

1900
01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:41,190
was like look like they were playing

1901
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:45,460
that's that's amazing and did that were

1902
01:38:53,730 --> 01:38:49,770
you more curious at that time about oh

1903
01:38:57,900 --> 01:38:53,740
he's back okay haha George you're back

1904
01:38:59,520 --> 01:38:57,910
yeah I had to go yeah I'm back via the

1905
01:39:01,020 --> 01:38:59,530
aliens from the outer space they pulled

1906
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:01,030
me back up for three seconds and brought

1907
01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:02,890
me shot me back down again I thought

1908
01:39:14,460 --> 01:39:10,600
that's what must have happened now okay

1909
01:39:16,860 --> 01:39:14,470
oh it's fine it's just fine now now a

1910
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:16,870
lot of people have kind of associate I'm

1911
01:39:22,620 --> 01:39:19,630
sure you know this Elvis with space and

1912
01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:22,630
you know like he's not you know he never

1913
01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:24,430
died and you know there's all kinds of

1914
01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:26,350
conspiracies which is which is pretty

1915
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:28,630
funny but if you can just kind of give

1916
01:39:33,450 --> 01:39:31,360
the gist of of what happened he was he

1917
01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:33,460
he was I think it was 42 years old I

1918
01:39:38,490 --> 01:39:36,190
know it was in August of 1977 because I

1919
01:39:41,490 --> 01:39:38,500
was in school in Kansas City when it

1920
01:39:43,230 --> 01:39:41,500
happened and so I remember it very very

1921
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:43,240
clearly and you always remember where

1922
01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:45,010
you are and something major happens and

1923
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:47,830
I was devastated like everyone else was

1924
01:39:53,300 --> 01:39:49,130
at the

1925
01:39:55,580 --> 01:39:53,310
so about the conspiracies it's still

1926
01:39:58,460 --> 01:39:55,590
there's still people saying now I'm not

1927
01:40:01,390 --> 01:39:58,470
sure he would be in his 90s right

1928
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:04,940
82 or 83 I see but there's still people

1929
01:40:11,650 --> 01:40:08,250
thing that they steepy not 85 maybe five

1930
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:11,660
people saying that they still see him I

1931
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:14,690
think I think that's kind of hilarious

1932
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,920
yeah you go George

1933
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:21,600
people know what people don't want to

1934
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:23,610
let go they don't wanna let go yeah you

1935
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,050
know Elvis meant so much to so many

1936
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:28,560
people he was he was he was taken away

1937
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:31,920
at 42 years ago ridiculously young

1938
01:40:37,460 --> 01:40:34,710
except for Jim Morrison I can't think of

1939
01:40:39,530 --> 01:40:37,470
another rock icon at left's or so young

1940
01:40:41,210 --> 01:40:39,540
and because he had such a strong

1941
01:40:44,180 --> 01:40:41,220
charismatic connection with his audience

1942
01:40:48,110 --> 01:40:44,190
and he loved he loved and lived for his

1943
01:40:49,670 --> 01:40:48,120
audience entirely exclusively yeah he

1944
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:49,680
was taken away unexpectedly at such a

1945
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:51,840
young age it left a gaping hole in

1946
01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:53,460
people people's appetites were not

1947
01:41:00,410 --> 01:40:57,900
satisfied and so so true the music and

1948
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:00,420
Yuri added a concert footage and you put

1949
01:41:06,140 --> 01:41:03,330
out DVDs and and shows like Elvis the

1950
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:06,150
searcher on HBO last year it only helps

1951
01:41:12,110 --> 01:41:09,810
to perpetuate the legacy and remind

1952
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:12,120
younger generations or at least inform

1953
01:41:15,650 --> 01:41:13,920
younger generations and remind the older

1954
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:15,660
generations of who and what he was what

1955
01:41:21,530 --> 01:41:17,850
he stood for and how he single-handedly

1956
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:21,540
revolutionized music at a time when it

1957
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:23,490
wasn't really appropriate to do that and

1958
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:26,310
he took a lot of flack for it but again

1959
01:41:29,930 --> 01:41:27,930
you just see what he went so young

1960
01:41:32,210 --> 01:41:29,940
people just can't get enough and and and

1961
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:32,220
anything so people instead of thinking

1962
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,960
he was going it's just such a morbid

1963
01:41:37,850 --> 01:41:35,820
thought they'd rather think maybe he was

1964
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:37,860
abducted maybe there are aliens because

1965
01:41:41,660 --> 01:41:39,570
we can't be the only form of life in

1966
01:41:43,670 --> 01:41:41,670
this entire solar system and what if

1967
01:41:45,110 --> 01:41:43,680
they did get come and get him and he's

1968
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:45,120
been living up there was a perfect

1969
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:46,950
escape from his own fame from his own

1970
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:50,130
entrapment yeah and it's a little more

1971
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:53,130
cheerful of a visual than the morbid

1972
01:41:56,690 --> 01:41:55,650
death right so yeah grasp on anything

1973
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:56,700
that seems would be a little bit more

1974
01:42:03,339 --> 01:42:00,000
uplifting and his case up loop into the

1975
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:03,349
solar system in Eric you know

1976
01:42:10,009 --> 01:42:06,510
yeah yeah that's right you know it's

1977
01:42:12,109 --> 01:42:10,019
funny the as far as I've been in the

1978
01:42:16,089 --> 01:42:12,119
fine arts and antiques and auctions and

1979
01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:16,099
all that all my life and Elvis is still

1980
01:42:18,799 --> 01:42:18,360
highly collectable anything to do with

1981
01:42:21,709 --> 01:42:18,809
him

1982
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:21,719
there's Marilyn Monroe and Elvis er like

1983
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:25,380
the two top and you know oh yeah I think

1984
01:42:31,879 --> 01:42:28,800
you still one of the top-selling musical

1985
01:42:35,419 --> 01:42:31,889
artists in England yeah amazing

1986
01:42:38,540 --> 01:42:35,429
like now currently it's weird like he's

1987
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:38,550
felt so much music there for his for his

1988
01:42:43,879 --> 01:42:41,010
short life and you know Marilyn was gone

1989
01:42:45,949 --> 01:42:43,889
young as well and you know she's her

1990
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:45,959
items at auction and things like her

1991
01:42:51,589 --> 01:42:49,489
gloves a few years ago I can't remember

1992
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:51,599
$60,000 or something like that they win

1993
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:54,449
an auction it's amazing and I've got

1994
01:42:59,959 --> 01:42:57,090
just see a lot of writings from Elvis

1995
01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:59,969
and both Elvis and Marilyn Monroe over

1996
01:43:06,049 --> 01:43:01,739
the years for appraisal purposes it's a

1997
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:06,059
lot of it's a lot of fun to read well

1998
01:43:12,889 --> 01:43:08,610
even in this day and age Elvis Tribute

1999
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:12,899
artists will sell out entire arenas I'm

2000
01:43:18,189 --> 01:43:16,409
not gonna kidding really the UK oh yeah

2001
01:43:21,020 --> 01:43:18,199
I have a friend of mine that does this

2002
01:43:23,359 --> 01:43:21,030
he's incredible and he's got overseas

2003
01:43:25,459 --> 01:43:23,369
many times with his band that is booking

2004
01:43:28,100 --> 01:43:25,469
he doesn't have a booking company looks

2005
01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:28,110
these shows and major arena they sell

2006
01:43:36,589 --> 01:43:32,729
out anywhere between 16,000 to 20,000 25

2007
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:36,599
upwards of almost 30,000 feet arenas and

2008
01:43:42,770 --> 01:43:39,030
outdoor stadiums in certain countries

2009
01:43:45,469 --> 01:43:42,780
like Argentina Madrid Barcelona and then

2010
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:45,479
all over the UK even now and we're

2011
01:43:49,580 --> 01:43:47,249
talking about a tribute artist who

2012
01:43:52,129 --> 01:43:49,590
captures every little nuance of Elvis

2013
01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:52,139
was known for it's not a caricature it's

2014
01:43:57,609 --> 01:43:54,169
not a jokey thing he can sing he

2015
01:44:01,459 --> 01:43:57,619
incredible show so people that the guys

2016
01:44:03,409 --> 01:44:01,469
have not waned whatsoever yeah which is

2017
01:44:05,839 --> 01:44:03,419
amazing and it makes you wonder how long

2018
01:44:07,580 --> 01:44:05,849
that will continue and I think you know

2019
01:44:10,669 --> 01:44:07,590
you just touched on a really good key

2020
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:10,679
point you know I I can't remember if you

2021
01:44:14,350 --> 01:44:13,199
said HBO or whatever had a film last

2022
01:44:16,290 --> 01:44:14,360
year and

2023
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:16,300
you know they just it just keeps

2024
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:20,330
reviving you know and the Millennials

2025
01:44:23,620 --> 01:44:21,770
and other people are gonna say well

2026
01:44:27,340 --> 01:44:23,630
who's this and hey wow that that's

2027
01:44:29,770 --> 01:44:27,350
really unique music and yeah exactly

2028
01:44:33,310 --> 01:44:29,780
yeah and you know it's called the

2029
01:44:35,950 --> 01:44:33,320
searcher the searcher uh-huh and yeah

2030
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:35,960
it's amazing when someone is so

2031
01:44:39,459 --> 01:44:37,610
different and they break in just

2032
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:39,469
something I mean they're the odds could

2033
01:44:42,700 --> 01:44:41,090
have gone the other way too it's just

2034
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:42,710
you know there's always a little bit of

2035
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:45,530
luck and something like that someone

2036
01:44:53,459 --> 01:44:49,760
becomes a paid star yeah yeah it was a

2037
01:44:56,260 --> 01:44:53,469
perfect storm it was the timing and in

2038
01:44:58,330 --> 01:44:56,270
society was ready for that kids were

2039
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:58,340
hunger hungry and thirsty for new music

2040
01:45:03,790 --> 01:45:01,760
they were not interested in watching you

2041
01:45:05,020 --> 01:45:03,800
know the big band era of music or

2042
01:45:06,490 --> 01:45:05,030
listening to that or watching those

2043
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:06,500
shows and listening to that music that

2044
01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:08,449
it was a perfect storm of the right

2045
01:45:12,939 --> 01:45:10,820
manager finding the right talent at the

2046
01:45:16,020 --> 01:45:12,949
right time in history that was longing

2047
01:45:18,189 --> 01:45:16,030
for that type of change music change

2048
01:45:21,220 --> 01:45:18,199
hairstyles fashion everything

2049
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:21,230
revolutionized and changed when Elvis

2050
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:22,850
fused together all these different

2051
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:25,489
elements of his look his wardrobe his

2052
01:45:29,919 --> 01:45:28,310
musical tastes fused it all was heavily

2053
01:45:31,689 --> 01:45:29,929
influenced by the black rhythm and blues

2054
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:31,699
sounds and in the south and the South

2055
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,639
back then yeah all came together right

2056
01:45:39,790 --> 01:45:37,040
right he really was he was a white

2057
01:45:43,450 --> 01:45:39,800
artist who brought that black sound and

2058
01:45:45,899 --> 01:45:43,460
yes I remember never here yeah yeah love

2059
01:45:48,399 --> 01:45:45,909
the music but you know he made it

2060
01:45:52,030 --> 01:45:48,409
accessible to many white audiences that

2061
01:45:53,370 --> 01:45:52,040
wouldn't listen to black artists there

2062
01:45:56,740 --> 01:45:53,380
was a great story

2063
01:45:58,410 --> 01:45:56,750
go ahead George oh I'm sorry I was

2064
01:46:00,910 --> 01:45:58,420
saying Sam Phillips so I got to meet

2065
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:00,920
when I first went to Memphis who's found

2066
01:46:04,660 --> 01:46:03,110
Elvis I always wanted to record some

2067
01:46:08,290 --> 01:46:04,670
songs for his mom and her upcoming

2068
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:08,300
birthday that's right back then he said

2069
01:46:11,890 --> 01:46:10,070
his immortal words Tracy and you're so

2070
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:11,900
right on you hit it on the heads he said

2071
01:46:20,379 --> 01:46:16,400
if I could just find a white guy a white

2072
01:46:23,850 --> 01:46:20,389
artist who can feel and sing a song like

2073
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:23,860
a Negro artist yeah make million dollars

2074
01:46:28,150 --> 01:46:27,770
and in Joel's Elvis not too long after

2075
01:46:29,740 --> 01:46:28,160
that

2076
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:29,750
rolls into a studio and the rest was

2077
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:34,370
history yeah yeah well yeah he was

2078
01:46:37,210 --> 01:46:36,050
certainly iconic I don't know if you

2079
01:46:39,340 --> 01:46:37,220
either one of you have ever heard the

2080
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:39,350
story of him just walking up to the

2081
01:46:44,230 --> 01:46:41,810
White House to see I think it was Nixon

2082
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:44,240
or someone just like knock on the door

2083
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:47,690
and they let him in yeah the president

2084
01:46:52,420 --> 01:46:50,840
yeah it's it took some convincing but

2085
01:46:54,670 --> 01:46:52,430
him him and Sonny West and Jerry

2086
01:46:56,140 --> 01:46:54,680
shilling made that happen yeah Sonny

2087
01:46:58,210 --> 01:46:56,150
told me the story is incredible

2088
01:47:01,290 --> 01:46:58,220
yeah that must've been fun spending some

2089
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:01,300
time with him George I gotta ask you

2090
01:47:06,190 --> 01:47:03,890
Tracy mentioned that she had a UFO

2091
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:06,200
sighting have you ever had one and if

2092
01:47:12,730 --> 01:47:08,030
not what is your thoughts on the topic

2093
01:47:14,890 --> 01:47:12,740
of that subject I really feel there are

2094
01:47:17,950 --> 01:47:14,900
UFOs there are other forms of life

2095
01:47:20,170 --> 01:47:17,960
they're far superior very likely far

2096
01:47:21,850 --> 01:47:20,180
superior to us they could come from a

2097
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:21,860
different time a different dimension a

2098
01:47:26,140 --> 01:47:23,690
different through a different portal I

2099
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:26,150
don't really know I'm just basing it on

2100
01:47:31,090 --> 01:47:28,970
whatever information I've seen heard and

2101
01:47:34,660 --> 01:47:31,100
gathered on my own plus intuition and

2102
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:34,670
just a sense that it has to be very

2103
01:47:38,620 --> 01:47:36,770
likely the case I don't think I've ever

2104
01:47:40,180 --> 01:47:38,630
seen one blatantly in front of me that I

2105
01:47:42,370 --> 01:47:40,190
was sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that

2106
01:47:45,700 --> 01:47:42,380
it was a UFO or some sort of an alien

2107
01:47:47,140 --> 01:47:45,710
sighting but something fleeting in the

2108
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:47,150
skies here and there but it was so

2109
01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:49,130
fleeting and so brief I really couldn't

2110
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:52,310
say it was that but there's too much

2111
01:47:57,940 --> 01:47:55,040
pointing into the in the direction that

2112
01:47:59,380 --> 01:47:57,950
it's got to be it's got to be there's

2113
01:48:02,230 --> 01:47:59,390
got to be truth to this it can't just be

2114
01:48:04,060 --> 01:48:02,240
some some fantasy or something you see

2115
01:48:06,370 --> 01:48:04,070
in movies yeah

2116
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,380
well I think I think you expressed it

2117
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:08,960
very well actually because you know a

2118
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:10,610
lot of people that don't really look

2119
01:48:16,930 --> 01:48:14,690
into the topic like myself and others a

2120
01:48:19,060 --> 01:48:16,940
lot of people don't have quite that open

2121
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:19,070
mind and you mentioned the different

2122
01:48:23,230 --> 01:48:20,890
variations it could be I think that's

2123
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:23,240
after I've been doing this show for

2124
01:48:28,570 --> 01:48:26,570
almost nine years I still I still have

2125
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:28,580
to agree to you I don't know what what

2126
01:48:34,210 --> 01:48:31,250
they are but I know that enough people

2127
01:48:37,540 --> 01:48:34,220
has have reported them over the years

2128
01:48:38,770 --> 01:48:37,550
that without any explanation available

2129
01:48:41,589 --> 01:48:38,780
which just makes the whole thing

2130
01:48:45,220 --> 01:48:41,599
fascinating to me keeps me going

2131
01:48:46,810 --> 01:48:45,230
yeah without a doubt yeah I completely

2132
01:48:49,089 --> 01:48:46,820
agree with you you know there's too much

2133
01:48:52,510 --> 01:48:49,099
pointing in that direction well I don't

2134
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:52,520
know what I did when I did tell my

2135
01:48:58,750 --> 01:48:55,130
friend about it he said never speak of

2136
01:49:02,069 --> 01:48:58,760
this to anyone yes well you know that's

2137
01:49:05,859 --> 01:49:02,079
um I got to tell you that cool yeah yes

2138
01:49:08,589 --> 01:49:05,869
there was a sink coffee there was this a

2139
01:49:12,580 --> 01:49:08,599
panel in 1953 called the Robertson panel

2140
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:12,590
and they met and they basically tried to

2141
01:49:18,910 --> 01:49:15,530
figure out a way to make a UFO as taboo

2142
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:18,920
and basically that's where the whole

2143
01:49:23,620 --> 01:49:21,530
ridicule factor comes from you know you

2144
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:23,630
must be crazy little green men tinfoil

2145
01:49:29,410 --> 01:49:27,170
hats all that stuff but I mentioned in

2146
01:49:33,819 --> 01:49:29,420
the first very first part of this show

2147
01:49:36,490 --> 01:49:33,829
tonight is a new second season of it

2148
01:49:38,350 --> 01:49:36,500
unidentified on the History Channel is

2149
01:49:40,810 --> 01:49:38,360
coming out this Saturday and I got to

2150
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:40,820
watch the screener of it and I'm telling

2151
01:49:45,490 --> 01:49:43,130
you if anyone watches that that doesn't

2152
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:45,500
believe in you know that UFOs could be

2153
01:49:49,450 --> 01:49:47,599
happening you probably would change your

2154
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:49,460
mind in that one episode it's really

2155
01:49:55,450 --> 01:49:52,489
it's just the military people involved

2156
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,460
you know decorated soldiers and and

2157
01:50:00,609 --> 01:49:57,440
military that have actually witnessed

2158
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:00,619
these strange things happening and one

2159
01:50:07,089 --> 01:50:03,710
of them looks very much like what is

2160
01:50:14,290 --> 01:50:07,099
known in 2004 as a tic-tac UFO at the

2161
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:14,300
USS Nimitz and they moved in that kind

2162
01:50:19,530 --> 01:50:15,530
of weird way where they could move

2163
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,540
really fast and then stop yeah that's

2164
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:21,679
why I was just kind of like I don't know

2165
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:23,810
what this is but I've never seen

2166
01:50:28,899 --> 01:50:27,199
anything move like that right well you

2167
01:50:30,879 --> 01:50:28,909
know going back to the Vietnam War

2168
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,889
I don't want to give too much of a

2169
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:32,960
spoiler of what's coming out but going

2170
01:50:35,770 --> 01:50:34,250
back to that they're talking about

2171
01:50:38,379 --> 01:50:35,780
something moving at five and six

2172
01:50:42,819 --> 01:50:38,389
thousand miles an hour and taking a

2173
01:50:46,810 --> 01:50:42,829
sudden right-angle turn yeah iid explain

2174
01:50:49,390 --> 01:50:46,820
something like that yeah yeah Wow say on

2175
01:50:52,750 --> 01:50:49,400
beyond explanation but yeah there you go

2176
01:50:54,910 --> 01:50:52,760
well you know I was at Carnegie Mellon

2177
01:50:58,780 --> 01:50:54,920
where they have now they have

2178
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,790
world-class robotics lab there so at the

2179
01:51:03,190 --> 01:51:00,560
time I was like is this something that

2180
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:03,200
the engineering students are doing like

2181
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,320
is this a some kind of robot or

2182
01:51:11,110 --> 01:51:08,000
something you know the people are

2183
01:51:13,810 --> 01:51:11,120
playing with at night trying to but it

2184
01:51:15,370 --> 01:51:13,820
just didn't make any sense the way it

2185
01:51:16,990 --> 01:51:15,380
moved and I don't even know if they were

2186
01:51:17,380 --> 01:51:17,000
really doing that back then that was

2187
01:51:22,090 --> 01:51:17,390
like

2188
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:22,100
before 1980 yeah well that's a lot of

2189
01:51:25,090 --> 01:51:24,050
speculation people will say well it

2190
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:25,100
could be military

2191
01:51:29,860 --> 01:51:27,290
it could be something experimental but

2192
01:51:32,860 --> 01:51:29,870
when you're talking about that period of

2193
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:32,870
time in and that never being used in say

2194
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:36,170
warfare for instance or other other

2195
01:51:40,780 --> 01:51:38,450
leaks or something like that it's pretty

2196
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:40,790
hard to actually believe it could carry

2197
01:51:47,470 --> 01:51:45,110
on that long so we have we have just a

2198
01:51:50,770 --> 01:51:47,480
couple minutes left here or just about a

2199
01:51:52,930 --> 01:51:50,780
minute or so and again you say this and

2200
01:51:55,630 --> 01:51:52,940
it's called Elvis from outer space to

2201
01:51:58,270 --> 01:51:55,640
have that right yes yes Elvis from outer

2202
01:52:00,820 --> 01:51:58,280
space yeah yeah and so you can catch

2203
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:00,830
that and here is on YouTube you can see

2204
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:04,730
this and it's a riot I suggest you watch

2205
01:52:16,630 --> 01:52:13,280
it's a lot of a lot of fun excellent

2206
01:52:18,490 --> 01:52:16,640
all right I thought I can Oh an iTunes

2207
01:52:20,980 --> 01:52:18,500
yeah I know a lot of the movies I had no

2208
01:52:22,420 --> 01:52:20,990
heading over that way well I want to

2209
01:52:24,940 --> 01:52:22,430
thank you both and I wish you great

2210
01:52:28,570 --> 01:52:24,950
success thanks so much for joining the

2211
01:52:30,130 --> 01:52:28,580
show thanks for having us thanks so much

2212
01:52:32,650 --> 01:52:30,140
for having us and we really appreciate

2213
01:52:35,770 --> 01:52:32,660
the time and I think people really enjoy

2214
01:52:39,150 --> 01:52:35,780
this it pretty keeps Elvis's memory he

2215
01:52:42,190 --> 01:52:39,160
pays a lot of respect to Elvis's his

2216
01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:42,200
spirit his being his essence at the same

2217
01:52:46,510 --> 01:52:43,760
time giving a lot of entertainment great

2218
01:52:48,670 --> 01:52:46,520
music fun characters but we've always

2219
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,680
preserved the integrity of Elvis's

2220
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:50,960
spirits for the fans and the people who

2221
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:52,880
appreciate him not just making some

2222
01:52:57,610 --> 01:52:55,370
campy movie you know keeping a real

2223
01:53:00,250 --> 01:52:57,620
honor and respect and dignity for his

2224
01:53:02,860 --> 01:53:00,260
legacy and his memory that's great well

2225
01:53:06,730 --> 01:53:02,870
George that's good to hear thank you all

2226
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:06,740
right thank you both very much okay

2227
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:08,090
bye now

2228
01:53:12,729 --> 01:53:10,639
all right everyone so that's it for the

2229
01:53:16,750 --> 01:53:12,739
show this evening thanks so much for

2230
01:53:19,570 --> 01:53:16,760
hanging in and again if you check the

2231
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:19,580
show notes in a day or so I'm gonna find

2232
01:53:23,530 --> 01:53:21,130
out what happened to Don Schmidt and

2233
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:23,540
next week we are gonna be back with the

2234
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:27,770
Nigel Watson and at the same time a same

2235
01:53:31,300 --> 01:53:30,020
place and I do want to thank everyone

2236
01:53:34,089 --> 01:53:31,310
that helps out with the show thank you

2237
01:53:36,580 --> 01:53:34,099
Bill over kgr a radio Thank You Peggy

2238
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:36,590
for helping out with a Facebook page and

2239
01:53:42,250 --> 01:53:39,920
everyone else involved and so we will

2240
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:42,260
see you next week and remember to keep